New Vehicle Law, Vodascam and World Destruction

**Slingshot** · 13th January 2006, 12:47

I couldn't give a toss about the whaling...if the whales were endangered then it would be a bit crap but as far as I know they're not.
The Jappers could save themselves a heap of effort though, they could set up a team to jump on a plane and fly to the site of whales that have come ashore.
Greenpiece piss me off because they're hyprocites and their ideals are not the same as mine!

It's good that the dude in the Merc got pinged, he was obviously being a dick. Just because your mother is in the car doesn't mean you'll automatically be less of a dick either.
He's turned traction control off and then planted boot...throw the book at him. He could have at least done it out of sight of the fuzz.

I don't have a real problem with boy racers, it's not my cup of tea to race around with nosiy cars and phssing blow-off values but each to their own...the problem is that they sometimes put others at risk.
Shit, that sounds familar...bikers (generally speaking) are not the most law abiding group on the road. Ah...but I guess I'm forgetting that we're all perfect.

And why the hell shouldn't a country be able to choose how to provide power (read: defend themselves).
The Western world has some ego to believe that it can dicitate what other countries can and can't do. In a perfect world, there'd be no nukes...but this is far from a perfect world we live in. Let em build the nukes and then lets hope someone pushes the button...next thing we know there'll be nukes flying everywhere (hopefully a couple will land in NZ too)...the human race will be wiped out and everything will be easy again.

**StoneChucker** · 13th January 2006, 14:39

Damn, forgot about this thread, so much to read!

Firstly, as I said I agree the best thing would be for no country to have nukes. It's really worrying when certain countries proclaiming to hate westerners want to devellop nuclear programs. But thats always been the case, nothing new there really. Does anyone know if America has ever invaded a country with a tyranical/ruthless leader, removed said leader and helped the country regain or attain democracy, WITHOUT any other motives, financial for example? I don't know of any, but I'm not a historian. For example, it would be really refreshing for the US to overthrow Robert Mugabe and all his cohorts in Zimbabwe, and set the country on the right path, just for helping a country regain stability. I've seen figures of how many gallons of gasoline the US use per DAY and it's unbelievable. Seriously, something like 130 Million, or even more, I'm not exactly sure. It's sickening. The same abuse of the environment is what causes the suprisingly thick smog over okyo (I think). ZPeople walk around with face masks on, not for bird flu in this case.

In all honesty, someone here reminded me that whaling, if done in a humane, sustainable way, is realy similar to us westerners eating cows and other game. I believe it's not sustainable, and done barbarically, but a country that eats cats and dogs isn't really going to take any notice. The "research" is however being released for their scientific studies. Only they don't call it that, they prefer the name "receipe".

The new noise law, boy racer law and other high profile laws are there to serve a purpose. From the replies here, the enforcement of noise restrictions on property is also judged by ear. So I guess, for the majority, police will enforce the laws with discretion. If you drive an illegally lowered and modified car, have no licence, reg or wof and have an attitude, you're likely to "come a cropper". I guess it comes down to driving maturely with logic. When I think about it, we all know the precise point where the line gets crossed, when we're doing something legal which then becomes illegal. Obviously what alot of the people that get caught get pissed off about is, that they were caught in the first place, not that they were wrongly accused/charged. Another thing someone said that I think could be used (and probably is already), is if you're over 25 and look more mature, not to get as much of the boy racer treatment, unless you clearly warrant it. The reason some laws worry me is, I have on a few occasions I've lost traction, normally only half a second tho, while pulling off from lights in the wet, over those slippery white lines. I am trying to pull away quickly, but not racing or spinning my wheels for fun. Loosing my car or licence would really stuff up my day/month/job, just because unluckily one day through my carelessness yes, but some cop sees me and thinks I'm intending to do so. To jump the fence again, I think we shouldn't complain all the time, NZ police do a good job, in all areas. Compare them to US police: On shows like cops, where they must be on some level of better behaviour or more restraint, they rip people out the car, handle them violently and speak down to the with nothing but disgust/lack of respect. (Granted, it's a different society.)

I guess you can over debate issues. I've been pulled over about 5 times, two breath tests, one speeding (got heaps of leneancy from this guy, made my day), one licence check and one curteousy check as I was map reading on the roadside. Drive sensibly, and it won't be an issue. Intent is an issue, but normally judged fairly as I've encountered.

**James Deuce** · 13th January 2006, 15:22

There's no humane way to kill a whale without cluster bomb munitions. It always takes at least 20 minutes for a whale to die.

The approved technique is to harpoon them in the head with an explosive harpoon and then let them tow the boat around until they die from blood loss.

Of course if you get the one in a hundred shot that penetrates to the brain then you have an instantly dead animal, bit like the way cows are slaughtered.

**Slingshot** · 13th January 2006, 15:25

Originally Posted by StoneChucker

Another thing someone said that I think could be used (and probably is already), is if you're over 25 and look more mature, not to get as much of the boy racer treatment, unless you clearly warrant it.

That's bullocks!!!
Why should a law be applied differently to different groups of society? Imagine if you replaced the references to age with:
Another thing someone said that I think could be used (and probably is already), is if you're white and look affluent, not to get as much of the boy racer treatment, unless you clearly warrant it.

Imagine the outcry!!!

**Grahameeboy** · 13th January 2006, 15:30

Originally Posted by Slingshot

I couldn't give a toss about the whaling...if the whales were endangered then it would be a bit crap but as far as I know they're not.
The Jappers could save themselves a heap of effort though, they could set up a team to jump on a plane and fly to the site of whales that have come ashore.
Greenpiece piss me off because they're hyprocites and their ideals are not the same as mine!

It's good that the dude in the Merc got pinged, he was obviously being a dick. Just because your mother is in the car doesn't mean you'll automatically be less of a dick either.
He's turned traction control off and then planted boot...throw the book at him. He could have at least done it out of sight of the fuzz.

I don't have a real problem with boy racers, it's not my cup of tea to race around with nosiy cars and phssing blow-off values but each to their own...the problem is that they sometimes put others at risk.
Shit, that sounds familar...bikers (generally speaking) are not the most law abiding group on the road. Ah...but I guess I'm forgetting that we're all perfect.

And why the hell shouldn't a country be able to choose how to provide power (read: defend themselves).
The Western world has some ego to believe that it can dicitate what other countries can and can't do. In a perfect world, there'd be no nukes...but this is far from a perfect world we live in. Let em build the nukes and then lets hope someone pushes the button...next thing we know there'll be nukes flying everywhere (hopefully a couple will land in NZ too)...the human race will be wiped out and everything will be easy again.

Oh....................................

**StoneChucker** · 13th January 2006, 15:39

Originally Posted by Slingshot

That's bullocks!!!
Why should a law be applied differently to different groups of society? Imagine if you replaced the references to age with:
Another thing someone said that I think could be used (and probably is already), is if you're white and look affluent, not to get as much of the boy racer treatment, unless you clearly warrant it.

Imagine the outcry!!!

Hmm, yes I see my post on that point is leaking mortally... What I was trying to convey, was that like you get insurance reductions at/after 25, police should use more/detailed discretion when dealing with older people. Obviously there are people of any age doing illegal shit, but with regards to accidental misuse of a vehicle, it's more likely that the story of accidental loss of traction is true from an older person, than from a 18 year old boy, with a back to front cap and blasting music. This may mean the difference between the loss of your vehicle, and a careless use fine for your lack of skill/judgement. Being judged as a boy racer/liar and loosing your car seems unfair if it was just an unintentional mistake (which would still be punished, but less severely)

But like I said, depending on what the officer saw, age/gender/ethnicity/wealth is irrelevant if someone has broken the law. I never intended to imply otherwise:slap:

**Slingshot** · 13th January 2006, 15:51

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Oh....................................

Oh...........................What?

**Lou Girardin** · 13th January 2006, 16:18

Originally Posted by Slingshot

That's bullocks!!!
Why should a law be applied differently to different groups of society? Imagine if you replaced the references to age with:
Another thing someone said that I think could be used (and probably is already), is if you're white and look affluent, not to get as much of the boy racer treatment, unless you clearly warrant it.

Imagine the outcry!!!

It's what happens already. How many white collar criminals get jail for their crimes compared to poorer people.

**Slingshot** · 13th January 2006, 16:44

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

It's what happens already. How many white collar criminals get jail for their crimes compared to poorer people.

Yes, we live in a corrupt and unjust world...hence my comments about nuking the lot of us.

**StoneChucker** · 13th January 2006, 19:06

Originally Posted by Slingshot

Yes, we live in a corrupt and unjust world...hence my comments about nuking the lot of us.

Err, speak for yourself

I think of myself as a good person, at least not by any means in the same class/thought of people who are prejudiced, or who attain wealth at the direct expense of others. If what you want had to transpire, there should be a nuclear shelter, so once the scurge of the earth is cleared, there are people to repopulate the earth. Yes, I would take on that burden, that's just the sort of guy I am

**Colapop** · 13th January 2006, 20:41

Is not war futile? To kill another one must kill every person that that individual has ever had contact with and then kill every person who shares the same ideals then kill all the people that they've ever had contact with then kill all those people who may share the same ideals......

**thehollowmen** · 13th January 2006, 20:42

If the police were really around to 'tax' us they would put a cop car or a camera beside burger king / shell in dunedin. And even better that's where the boyracers often hang out.

It is almost impossible to not spin your wheels on the way out of there, I do it in my FWD car, my boss does it in the WRX, my lil bro does it in his RWD and I've also done it on the bike.

anyways, haven't seen a ticket handed out :-(

**Slingshot** · 13th January 2006, 21:37

Originally Posted by StoneChucker

If what you want had to transpire, there should be a nuclear shelter, so once the scurge of the earth is cleared, there are people to repopulate the earth. Yes, I would take on that burden, that's just the sort of guy I am

A nuclear shelter is a great idea...and yes...that is the sort of guy you are.