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Where do you guys get time to look at the speedo? I vibrated my way up to just over 12K rpm (should have pulled 13K easy, running like a pos), so thats a bit over 240k but the rev counter was all I looked at!
and through the esses up over the hill!Originally Posted by MR
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When your doing my kinda speeds you have HHHHHEEEEEEAAAAAAPPPPPSSS of time to look at the speedo.....Where do you guys get time to look at the speedo? I vibrated my way up to just over 12K rpm (should have pulled 13K easy, running like a pos), so thats a bit over 240k but the rev counter was all I looked at!
and through the esses up over the hill!
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On that day I was basically learning my bike the whole time. I didn't know what speeds I was suppose to go at until I caught the tail of some racers and picked up the pace a bit.
I really should be going a lot faster into turn 1 and carrying more speed through turn 2 and 3 and going on the gas a lot earlier at Castrol but it wasn't a race so I'll do thoes things after I am more comfertable with it.
My bike is a race bike so it would be faster on the backstraight. The place where I loose major time is the hairpin. I haven't got the braking and going through it faster sussed yet. KK you did some nice work at the hairpin btw
Its funny how a track that looks so simple like Pukekohe can take so much work and time to get things right.
i beg to differ, M/R.
Hard braking is hard braking. The technical bits are "Jennian Homes" and thos super fast left handers towards the rise. Slow corners are always easier to get right. There's not alot wrong with your braking into the hairpin, I can vouch for that!
Try chasing a quick 600 rider through the first few turns a couple of times and you'll find a second or two, no prblems.
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Well, that was where I witnessed old KK riding like a bit of a nutter actually, cut across me and nearly took me out- you naughty boy!KK...and through the esses up over the hill!
Zed
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Yea but I just need to sort out the braking point. I have always left a safety margin just incase if I fall short. I have seen some racers loose thier front at the hairpin so I am just scared of that. I really have to shake it off and then lean it over all the way while at the hairpin. When the ZX 6 RR racer overtook me there, he made cool sparks as he sraped his pegs at the hairpin! I am not even scaping my knee there some times. So I am falling behind already cause I am not carrying enough speed. After I complete the hairpin turn, its pretty much open throtle all the way to the hill so I don't think I have problems there.
I really could use some help on the "Jennian Homes" and the eses for sure. I am sure there are seconds to loose there like you said.
Looking forward to doing Manfield next month
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Firstly in my defense id like to say there was an easy wheel length between us! and secondly what did you expect? it wasnt fun sitting behind you through jennian etc trying to get around, then have you blast back past on the bakcstraightWell, that was where I witnessed old KK riding like a bit of a nutter actually, cut across me and nearly took me out- you naughty boy!
Zedso i finally got agressive enough to want to do some fast 'lone laps and decided it was the only place to cut past- and figured you would prolly not bother trying to overtake me on the backstraight after that :P
hehe but sorry if i startled u, really didnt mean it, and wouldnt have done it if i didnt feel really safe doing so - just hold your line dude and ill see to it that nothing bad happens
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oh PMPL - well said KK - especially the last paragraph.....Firstly in my defense id like to say there was an easy wheel length between us! and secondly what did you expect? it wasnt fun sitting behind you through jennian etc trying to get around, then have you blast back past on the bakcstraight
hehe but sorry if i startled u, really didnt mean it, and wouldnt have done it if i didnt feel really safe doing so - just hold your line dude and ill see to it that nothing bad happens
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I won't debate it with you, but there was another witness to that event who agreed with my concern...you were racing- I wasn't! If I was, then maybe I would have taken more risks like you did...but it was only an Open Day after all and my 2nd time ever on the track.Firstly in my defense id like to say there was an easy wheel length between us! and secondly what did you expect? it wasnt fun sitting behind you through jennian etc trying to get around, then have you blast back past on the bakcstraight
hehe but sorry if i startled u, really didnt mean it, and wouldnt have done it if i didnt feel really safe doing so - just hold your line dude and ill see to it that nothing bad happens
Zed
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Unfortunately, you'll always get this on track days as alot of the smaller race bikes just aren't quite quick enough to go out with the "fast" group. i personally try to give road riders as much space as I can to avoid scaring them, or I go to the outside to get passed.
if a racer carves me up I'm not too concerned as they're usually experianced at getting past in tight spots so think nothing of it.
God help any 'Hero" road rider who wants to jam his bike under mine just to show how big his nuts are though. it aint big or clever and they usually get theirs.
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Jenian and the last turn 9 sweeper are my favourite turns as this is where I make the most ground on other bikes. On these corners, power means nothing and corner speed is everything - my 250 has humbled Gix1Ks, R1s and even a Blackbird.
These are both high speed sweepers and are really a leap of faith (grab yourself by the balls and ignore the screaming voices telling you to back off). You need to trust yourself and your bike. Go in faster and faster until the bike gets funky then start fine tuning your suspension/body position.
Once you get fast on Jenian you will need to work on your approach to Turn 2 (the left hander) which involves a bit of brakes and a lot of muscle to flick the bike over. Eventually you will find that the limiting factor is not speed or brakes but your ability to flick the bike over quick enough to carry your speed through 2, 3 and 4.
I had the same problem about a year ago and the solution was to use the "pivot steering" method which Keith Code talks about in his Wrist II book.
I take Turns 3/4 as one turn (the two rights that make up Castrol). This allows me to setup and start winding on the gas going into 3 with only minor adjustments required to hit the turn4 apex heading onto the straight.
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pretty much the same for me although because of my limited Puke experiance, I've no idea where on the track I should be turning into Jen'.
The final turn is a bit easier because you naturally flow into it from the preceeding turns and you're pretty much accelerating flat out as well.
Carey offered to let me follow him a few laps on his ZX6R to show me the way but we kept missing each other in different sessions so I'll have to wait 'till next time.
Great guy by the way, thanks.
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Where were you on the day anyway Cincinnati?
Work? I want to go ride!
interesting stuff MR and Ho-hoon. I love that jennian corner too but spent alot of my brain power through turns 1-4 getting consistent gear changes (stay in 5th at the end of the front, hold it through turn 1- chop down to fourth as I brake for turn 2-chop down again into third as I stand it up a little out of three and power away through turn 4) to make the most of the revs. I found when i started worrying about lines too much my gear selection turned to crap and I lost even more speed. once I get that zombied into my head I'll make a point of fine tuning the braking and lines
as I mentioned before, i have an easier time getting the bike on its side through fast sweepers than I do through the hairpin!
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Good advise HO-hoon, thanx!
Yep, I am the same as well.
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Hmm, thanks for the usful info there Hoon, im finding now that when i take a wide line into jennian it gets all wobbly as and the suspension is completely unsettled the whole way through, and dont really have much of an issue with change directions as im guessing by the time i hit that left im slow enough to do it easy, i try to go slow through there then gas it hard and make 3+4 one corner of open throttle but short shifted so as the back end doesnt slide about coming onto the backstraight because in a gear lower (sorry, unsure of gear number, just feel) it gets near redline just on exit and i find it hard to change and it slides.
Anyways sorry you felt that way zed, I cant remember who i was out with, i went out in fast and slow as i was setting my bike up all day etc and letting others ride it - i think it must have been my dad on it that carved yah!- My bad if it was me but the whole day i didnt get any nerves or feel unsafe, was actually amazing i think it was because its the first time away from racing on a track for me and there were no expectations! great fun.
Oh and lastly Zed - did you cling on behind the 400 and watch me go through those corners at all? not that im a good one to teach or anything but the only way i got some more pace through there was following Hoon.(thanks yet again dude!)
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