Yeah couldnt be bothered read'n so just posted that :eyepoke:Originally Posted by Road Rash
Yeah corners are cool
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Yeah couldnt be bothered read'n so just posted that :eyepoke:Yeah corners are cool
Forum whore
That's OK midnightmike, we'll get XP@ to move your posts into PD.
Another tip from Keith Code, that I find works very well, is to keep the driveline and suspension loaded to make steering responses predictable. In other words make sure you are applying some throttle all the way from the corner entry, increasing the amount of throttle on the once past the apex until you are at the maximum throttle setting you want on exit.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
bikeless
Corners, preacious. We loves them we does.
Sever
Now and forever
you're just another lost soul about to be mine again
see her, you'll never free her
you must surrender it all
And give life to me again
Disturbed - Inside the Fire
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OH my God!! A corner NOOO!Mmm corners
Anyone have a copy of the twist of the wrist DVD that I could borrow??
Here's a link to an article on mid-corner corrections.
http://www.durbanbmwclub.co.za/rtips...h%20a%20Crisis
Last edited by justsomeguy; 25th January 2006 at 17:41.
Hardcore Biker
Its taken me a few years to get used to corners....even now
I have issues.
My chicken strip is still about 10mm either side of the rear tyre
I know the bike I ride was literally designed for cornering but I have
this barrier of thinking shit *what if * there is loose metal in this corner,
or oil.........so I don't enjoy cornering as much as I should because of the
*what if*
How the heck do ya get over that thinking barrier??? any tips?
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Hahaha, KATWYN I think you think too much- hahahahaha - just joking - Deja Vu anyone??
I guess there's nothing like practice - and being focussed and disciplined while riding.
Here's a link to a good thread on cornering that I found on here:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=5482
Forum whore
It's sensible to hold back so that you feel you can deal with things that may lie around the corner. Don't ever stop thinking "what if".
But maybe you either need to slow down a bit to a speed where you feel you can deal with the unforseen, or you need to go and practice changing your line in corners and moving around on the bike etc. so that you are more comfortable with the bike and feel confident that you can avoid things at the speed you like to ride at. Stuff like placing more weight on the pegs and hanging off the bike might help - I find that when I'm hanging off the bike rather than keeping my arse in the seat, the bike is more free to move under me which makes changing lines easier. Also I think it makes it easier to deal with situations where the tyres do start to slip as you can let the bike move a bit under you. I reckon don't worry about looking silly - if it helps you learn more how the bike reacts, it's good.
Late apexing/staying wide until you can see the corner exit is good in this respect as it makes you practice changing your line to a tighter line once you can see through the corner.
I feel like I'm being a bit pretentious offering my advice like this to a more exprienced rider such as yourself...
The rider formerly known as Road Rash
Stay relaxed, if your tense your less likley to react in a fluid manner, worse case panic and hit the brakes.
Also practise on roads where you know what there conditions are like
It's better to Burn out than to Fade away - Cause thats value for money!!
The rider formerly known as Road Rash
This is also something that i'm starting to experiment with, Think its good to have your lines sused and always looking through the corner for this though.
It's better to Burn out than to Fade away - Cause thats value for money!!
The rider formerly known as Road Rash
If you were to come across a hazard in the middle of the road dead center do you think it would be best to tighten your line or swing wider on the corner providing you have room to move either side?
Last edited by Big Chim; 26th January 2006 at 07:13.
It's better to Burn out than to Fade away - Cause thats value for money!!
Hardcore Biker
I feel like I'm being a bit pretentious offering my advice like this to a more exprienced rider such as yourself...
Cheers Erik for the advice. Just cause I have ridden for years does not
by any means make me an experienced rider.
One thing that has helped my cornering as well is my hubby said don't take notice of the speed signs (coming up to a corner) - ride around the corner at the speed I think I can do (*he was emphasizing speed consistancy, not being an idiot and taking the corner ridiculously fast for my experience*) - and not to freak out and button off just cause the sign says to go 35 or 55 etc.
This advice has helped me a lot because I would find the signs would freak me out if i'm coming up to a corner at 100 and a sign says 55. I would think " oh shoot, i'm not sposed to go around this corner at 100" so would button off etc and lose all consistancy.
The rider formerly known as Road Rash
Yeah i have noticed that also KATWYN. I use it as an indication of whats up ahead but i'll ride the road and its lines rather than the road signs.
I've also been taught about the vanishing point, how thick the corner or road looks right at the point where you cant see it, if it shrinks it means the corner is getting tighter and larger means that its starting to open up, kinda hard to explain, i found it requires practice still (after all i'm still new at this game)
It's better to Burn out than to Fade away - Cause thats value for money!!
Rest In Peace
Recently I was taught to also steer with my feet - fantastic - I know if I have misjudged a little I bring everything into action - engine braking, leaning, counter steering and foot as well (works like hand counter steering). Sugilite could probably explain this better - he taught me the trick and I have never looked back - I very rarely use the brakes but if I have to - I put the front and back on simultaneously, gently - last resort tho.
The rider formerly known as Road Rash
Direct Sugilite to this thread and get him to share his knowledge
It's better to Burn out than to Fade away - Cause thats value for money!!
Kiwibiker
Heyyas, I have been duly Directed to this thread!
OK, Road Rash, this ties in with your feeling of being at one with your bike.
Technique overview: When approaching a fave set of twisties, get up on the balls of your feet, and bend your elbows slightly, I think of it as a attack position, please note it is not meant to be the banzai position!
Technique: As you turn it into a left hander, you press down on your left hand foot peg as well and adding the counter pressure to the bars., and visa versa for the right.
Exercises to practice: I know a very simple exercise to teach you the principle, choose a nice quiet road you know well, Select a middle of the road gear (3rd or maybe 4th depending on road) and ride the road using only one hand at a speed you feel comfortable at.
You will quickly realize how to use your feet to steer the bike.
Do this along your stretch of road (at least 5 km) at least 2 times, preferably 3 times. Then do it again this time using both hands.
it will be a revelation to you how at one you will be with the bike. Using your whole body to steer spreads and smooths the load and forces of cornering.
Benefits: Using your feet places a certain amount of the cornering forces lower on the bike. (rather than all through the higher and less stable handlebars, lower forces are a good thing) This assists the overall handling of the bike.
You can use this technique to real advantage on the transition from left to right, say through a good series of esses....
As you are already on the balls of your feet, try and hover your ass just above the seat as the bike goes from one side to another using your leg strength to do so.
This allows your suspension to work a lot better, as you are in effect using your legs as suspension, rather than just sitting there like a sack of spuds forcing your suspension to work overtime. The effect is it really smooths the whole show out allowing you to concentrate on whats coming up next.
Practice that lot and you will quickly get into the flow of things.
Now, I've never really written down any of this before, so I may not be clear enough on the above, feel free to ask any questions and I'll do my best to clarify.
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