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    Colt45's thread on building a rotary bike from scratch reminded me of this project. Any progress?
    Time to ride

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    Good memory Jantar, would also be interested in any news.
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    me 2, interesting concept, would imagin getting an adapter plate made up wouldnt have been to scary,
    Hope we get the up date i mean wooow a ported rota scooter how kool
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    wankel motorcycles

    Saw this thread and thought Id better put my 5c worth in for what its worth, there seems to be a bit of confusion about the sachs engines and wankel engines in general, alot of people make comments on them not fully understanding the engine or actually knowing anything about them at all and as there are not many people out there who do fully understand them who is going to know! You can say whatever you like!
    Anyway I am going to clear a few things up on this subject, the sachs engine you have bought is probably a km48 a 160cc bridgeported and when I say its 160cc you dont divide it by 3 to get a displacement it is what it is, for every rotation of the shaft it fires once (not 3 times as many think) and the amount of gas compressed and burned for that 1 fireing will be 160cc so you can virtually directly compare them to a 160cc two stroke engine, where it gets confusing for alot of people is where you bring the rotor into the picture, the rotor is only doing 1 third of crankshaft speed not 3 times crank speed (another urban myth), so you need 3 complete crank (e-shaft) rotations to get the engine to fire on all 3 sides of the rotor.

    So heres where it gets even more confusing because the rotor is only doing 1 third engine speed the efective crank angle of the engine ends up being around 270 degrees of crank rotation so when you compare this with an ordinary 2 stroke engine with an effective crankangle of around 120 degrees its a big difference. This extra effective crank angle makes the wankel a very smooth running engine when you also concider nothing in the engine is changing direction, I have had people try and tell me that "rotary engines do go up and down thats why they have a figure of 8 chamber if they went round and round they would have a round chamber" this is not the case it is just an optical illusion created by the spirograph effect of the rotary engine if you don't beleave me go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:W...n_nojitter.gif and have a good long hard look eventually you will see its an illusion
    So you might ask with an effective crank angle more double that of the 2 stroke engine why are they not more powerful than a 2 stroke engine of the same capacity? Well the biggest factor in this is torque,
    The stroke of the wankel is minimal compared to that of a 2 stroke engine so where the wankel makes up for a long effective crank angle it looses out on stroke, but all said and done a 125cc two stroke and a 125cc wankel should be fairly closely matched in power, the 2 stroke would probably win due to more development no one except norton ever built successful wankel race bikes, to see the norton wankels in action go to
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBg86...feature=relate

    Anyway back to the forum I have been working on my own turbo wankel bike a honda mb100 chasis, with honda mb100 gearbox with mb5 internals, the engine is a periphial ported km3 110cc lawmower engine and I have only had the engine running NA at the moment and have not bothered tuning it as I will be turbocharging it as soon as the turbo turns up from japan, you can see it running at
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOsCUtEE_W8
    Alot more work to do on it will hopefully have it done by the end of the year
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