Democracy For Palestinians

[jimbo600]

no point in pulling punches man.. ask anyone who knows me.. i've never been one to be PC or to soften a blow just to spare someones feelings. an asshole is an asshole in any language (except in Kiwi-speak... then it's an "ARSE-Hole")

You Americans are so polite. We prefer the term cunt down here.

[SARGE]

You Americans are so polite. We prefer the term cunt down here.

yea.. im polite alright.. Diplomacy is the art of sayin " Nice Doggie", until you can find a big stick

[Swoop]

And just wait until Iran gets itself a nuke cos it will eventually. They won't hesitate to fire it at Israel and Israel will of course retaliate in kind. It'll be GAME ON!

Iran getting itself a nuke???
While still in range of Israeli fighter/bombers... (tui moment)

[terbang]

Here is a scenario worth considering.
Imagine this..
A new Australian Religion is formed (lets call them Lionists for name sake) They are rich and they are not welcome in Australian society because of their elitist attitude. They are looking fror somewhere to go (a new state) and they find a smpathetic ear with dear old England and Queen (the truth is that they have people in high business/political places in England) who offers them New zealand as an alternative. There is sympathy in the world for the lionists because of a severe beating they took at the hands of a rogue senator who killed many. Eventually and at the stroke of a pen it is decreed that the Lionists will now recieve New zealand which is a country, that they liked and believe that they had origionated from. New Zealand is currently populated by people of esentially the same race but of different religion. All New Zealanders must assimmilate or shift to Stuart Island and let the Lionists have the rest..The New Zealanders object and predictably go to war with the Lionists only to recieve a thumping from a well supplied Lion army (by the poms) and backed up by the poms and the Aussies. Naturally they loose the war and are all vanquished to Stuart Island. "But we have been here for 1500 years (well some of us)", they say "You stole it from the maoris" "Ah err hang on us maoris dont want Stuart Island either" and so the debate continues.
The Lions are given Military and Nuclear supremecy (from the Aussies and Poms) while the New Zealanders recieve sanctions and on and on.. The News Media is owned by the Aussies and because we are poor we have none and our true cry is never aired (only the bad stuff).

Now as a born and bred Kiwi I know for sure that if I were forced off my land, gagged, my enemies backed by countries that are richly amused by reality TV, forced into a much poorer state then slated as the bad guys that I would fight to the bitter end with sticks and stones (or terrorism if it was all I had left) if I thought I could get my country back..

I wonder if it is OK for Palestinians to have similar patriotic thoughts after loosing the land they lived on for 4000 years..?

[TwoSeven]

Your model is slightly flawed I think.

The flaw in your argument was that you forgot that the lionists were ejected by their land by the auslims in the first place

[N4CR]

israel have tank girls , did anyone see that on tv , they got the biggest most powerfull tanks in the world and are itching to use them against those palestinians , cant wat for tank cam

Not the best best tanks, but they have great armour and as that show said they are always upgraded. Too big for anywhere else but israel and you would need a starlifter to transport them if they even fitted in. From memory they weigh 60+ tonnes which is a fuckload for a tank, 120mm cannon etc. Basically israel has to drive them anywhere they want to shoot them which would slow down an invasion quite a bit. An RPG in the right spot would do the trick, or one of those new supposed russian plasma weapons which can bore through a tanks armour O.o
They remind me of the mammoth tanks in red alert (fuck I have a great sig from that game cough cough).

[WINJA]

Not the best best tanks, but they have great armour and as that show said they are always upgraded. Too big for anywhere else but israel and you would need a starlifter to transport them if they even fitted in. From memory they weigh 60+ tonnes which is a fuckload for a tank, 120mm cannon etc. Basically israel has to drive them anywhere they want to shoot them which would slow down an invasion quite a bit. An RPG in the right spot would do the trick, or one of those new supposed russian plasma weapons which can bore through a tanks armour O.o
They remind me of the mammoth tanks in red alert (fuck I have a great sig from that game cough cough).

60 tons , THATS LIKE 2 GOLDWINGS

[The_Dover]

Or a StreetMagic with WINJA's lard ass on it!

[oldrider]

The Palestine/Israeli saga reminds me of the old story of, the Arab the camel and the tent. Briefly, the Arab was sleeping in the tent and the camel (who was cold) gradually cons him out of it by stealth, lies and deception.

Finally the camel is in the tent and the Arab is out in the cold and dispossesed.

Sounds kinda familiar doesn't it.

Oh, by the way terbang, the lionists (camels) owned the media not the Australians. Close enough though. Cheers John.

[Winston001]

Yer dreaming the media always suport israel over Palistine ffs and they (the media) always get it wrong

What a curious view. The Western non-US media fall over themselves filming desperate Palestinian stories. The pro-Palestinian bias is very strong. For example that simpering Cameron Bennett did about 6 consecutive stories in Gaza and the West Bank last year.

[mstriumph]

Originally Posted by SARGE
......................... an asshole is an asshole in any language (except in Kiwi-speak... then it's an "ARSE-Hole")

You Americans are so polite. We prefer the term cunt down here.

...... erm, failed Physiology?

[Scouse]

What a curious view. The Western non-US media fall over themselves filming desperate Palestinian stories. The pro-Palestinian bias is very strong. For example that simpering Cameron Bennett did about 6 consecutive stories in Gaza and the West Bank last year.

Not that curious I was watching the 06:00am news on Friday there was Peter Williams saying "Hamas the terrorist organisation that has MURDERD thousands of Israelis over the years have won a landslide victory in Palestine over Night" He didn't mention the tens of thousands of Palestinians Murderd by Israel over the years. Now thats one sided reporting in my book. Or do you think it is ok for Israel to kill Paletinians but when Palestine retaliates this then becomes murder.....? Remembering that for centuries Israel did not exist then after WW2 a group of country's marched into Palistine and say to the palistinians "Ok fuck off into that small corner over there cause these here poor jew's have had a hard time of it lately and so we are all feeling a bit sorry for them and we think they deserve this land more than you so thats it and no dont be stupid of course you dont get to have a vote on it thats called democracy and we only hand out democracy when it suits us"

[SixPackBack]

sorry its taken me so long to answer this post .. i just stopped laughing


we're talking about ARABS here SPB..

oh.. good seeing you up and about today..

Yeah prolly agree, you have to wonder if ARABS have a gene lacking.

Good to see you to SARGE thank Colemans and the lovely Nitro girls for the free Suzuki t-shirt

[jimbo600]

Not that curious I was watching the 06:00am news on Friday there was Peter Williams saying "Hamas the terrorist organisation that has MURDERD thousands of Israelis over the years have won a landslide victory in Palestine over Night" He didn't mention the tens of thousands of Palestinians Murderd by Israel over the years. Now thats one sided reporting in my book. Or do you think it is ok for Israel to kill Paletinians but when Palestine retaliates this then becomes murder.....? Remembering that for centuries Israel did not exist then after WW2 a group of country's marched into Palistine and say to the palistinians "Ok fuck off into that small corner over there cause these here poor jew's have had a hard time of it lately and so we are all feeling a bit sorry for them and we think they deserve this land more than you so thats it and no dont be stupid of course you dont get to have a vote on it thats called democracy and we only hand out democracy when it suits us"

Now I'm not pro either side. The whole area is a festering boil. However, I do notice that the Israelis seem to target hamas operatives or other hot individuals, and I appreciate others get caught up in the crossfire but they attempt to single out a target. Hamas just bowl up on a bus in a shopping area and blow themselves along with whomever is unfortunate enough to be in the area.

Also I notice that wherever there is a natural disaster the Israelis are often the first to proffer assistance. In all my time on overseas operations I have never seen an Arab rendering help either fiscally or with bods on the ground.

Having said this though all the Arab and Israeli folk I have met over here personnaly have been stand up dudes. Probably why they left their countries of origin.

[Winston001]

Not that curious I was watching the 06:00am news on Friday there was Peter Williams saying "Hamas the terrorist organisation that has MURDERD thousands of Israelis over the years have won a landslide victory in Palestine over Night" He didn't mention the tens of thousands of Palestinians Murderd by Israel over the years. Now thats one sided reporting in my book. Or do you think it is ok for Israel to kill Paletinians but when Palestine retaliates this then becomes murder.....? Remembering that for centuries Israel did not exist then after WW2 a group of country's marched into Palistine and say to the palistinians "Ok fuck off into that small corner over there cause these here poor jew's have had a hard time of it lately and so we are all feeling a bit sorry for them and we think they deserve this land more than you so thats it and no dont be stupid of course you dont get to have a vote on it thats called democracy and we only hand out democracy when it suits us"

With respect, Hamas has not only indiscriminately murdered Israeli civilians but also other Palestinian political opponents.

Furthermore "tens of thousands of Palestinians murdered" isn't true. However there have certainly been innocent people killed and Israel is responsible for turning a blind eye to the Phalangists actions in south Lebanon in September 1982.

It is a difficult topic. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. The Palestinians have genuine complaints but their argument is really with Britain and the United Nations. Britain controlled Palestine until 1948 and basically walked out expecting the Jewish settlers to be annihilated by the Arabs.

The UN created Israel to try to right a wrong owed by humanity for the Holocaust. Sadly it was the Palestinian Arabs who paid the price by becoming a minority in their own land. I'd be pissed off too.

But the Jewish settlers purchased land in many cases long before 1948. Indeed this started in the late 19th century. And not all Arabs rebelled - many live peacefully in Israel today.

Whats more, if the Palestinians could let go their grievance they could participate in a dynamic country. Israel is a thriving democracy with a strong economy (no oil) and stands in stark contrast to every Arab nation surrounding it. It was largely desert 100 years ago.