Democracy For Palestinians

[terbang]

If it were to be decided democraticly the palestinians outnumber the Isralis..?
Militarily the Isralis have Nukes..?

Israel is and remians where it is because of the US and EU intervention..If that suport was fully withdrawn (including the nukes) Israel would probably last about 5 minutes..! Hence the support..

[SARGE]

If it were to be decided democraticly the palestinians outnumber the Isralis..?
Militarily the Isralis have Nukes..?

Israel is and remians where it is because of the US and EU intervention..If that suport was fully withdrawn (including the nukes) Israel would probably last about 5 minutes..! Hence the support..

first off.. never underestimate Isreal's military capabilities.. the Jews have been fighting for thier existance for millenia, and are very good at warfighting.

heres some history of the Jewish bomb, pasted from various Google searches..


The center of Israel's weapons program is the Negev Nuclear Research Center near the desert town of Dimona. A nuclear reactor and plutonium production facility was built by France at this facility in the late 1950s and early 60s. All of the production and fabrication of special nuclear materials (plutonium, lithium-6 deuteride, and enriched and unenriched uranium) occurs at Dimona although the design and assembly of nuclear weapons occurs elsewhere.


the US had VERY little to do with Isreal's nukes, and as a matter of fact, The United States had been opposed to Israel acquiring the bomb - an August 2005 BBC investigation showed that in the late 1950s the US rejected an Israeli request to sell it heavy water, because of Israel's refusal to guarantee it would be used only for civilian purposes. Consequently, because the world's largest supplier of heavy water, Norway, did not have enough stock, Britain sold Israel 20 tons of surplus heavy water, without requiring safeguards, or informing the US. The decision to ship 10 tons in June 1959, and another 10 tons a year later, appears to have been made entirely by civil servants at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, without political involvement. A 1961 request for a further five tons was declined - again without ministerial involvement - after a Daily Express report the year before on Israel's activities at Dimona had made the issue too politically sensitive.


i say we give the M.E all the nukes they want...


one warhead at a time....

[Swoop]

I believe that some of the processes required to construct the "buckets of instant sunshine" were obtained from the US in slightly underhand methods...
Also, their co-operation with the [then] South Africa, for development of technology ... hmmm dosen't SA have the bomb as well? The froggies were heavily involved with armaments since they have no morals and will deal with ANY country or group that waves cold hard cash under their noses.

[DevoDave]

In 1948 under pressure to seek a solution to the issue of of the homeless of Europe and as a knee jerk reaction to what happened to the jewish populations of Europe under Nazi occupation the UN disinfranchised the indigenous Palestinians and their homeland became the new state of Israel. The Palestinians became second class citizens in their own land. Ans we think that we have a problem in little ole NZ, yeah right. What I cannot understand is the arrogance of a race that underwent the "Jewish Solution" that they have been and are unable to accept another people for what they are. On top of that feed into that formulae Bush's world police force. Expect only be tears and blood and pray that we are strong enough to stay out of the whole mess. What was the content of the secret meeting between one of Bush's own Admirals and our Prime minister, you can bet your las razzoo that the Yanks are trying to drum up support, still with unemployment on the rise.....

[SARGE]

What was the content of the secret meeting between one of Bush's own Admirals and our Prime minister, you can bet your las razzoo that the Yanks are trying to drum up support, still with unemployment on the rise.....

yea well.. if NZ would let some US Navy ships park up in Devonport, the cash influx would keep the dole blogers in free cheese and lotto tickets for years to come.

maybe the unemployment has something to do with getting off your ass and looking for a job...


McDonalds is hiring...so is Pack n Save



how very Un-PC of me..

[SARGE]

end of the day folks.. the various factions of the Palestinian Authority ( the PLO, HAMAS, Islamic Jihad,the Muslim Brotherhood, the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, al-Fatah, PFLP, DFLP, PFLP-GC, etc) will never get thier shit together. right wing vs left vs Center, all trying to drive the jews into the sea and fighting each other to be able to do it.


that sound you hear is the shit hitting the fan

[SixPackBack]

*Best American drawl*........Daisy cutters..A10's..Artillery..Cruise Missiles...Question's?...... [ Now fucken behave children ]

Someone mentioned this concept to me recently....call it a social experiment worth enacting for the great TV if nothing else.

[SARGE]

*Best American drawl*........Daisy cutters..A10's..Artillery..Cruise Missiles...Question's?...... [ Now fucken behave children ]

Someone mentioned this concept to me recently....call it a social experiment worth enacting for the great TV if nothing else.

did that someone have a yank accent by any chance???

[SixPackBack]

did that someone have a yank accent by any chance???

Canadian I think....LOL

[mstriumph]

............................Israel is and remians where it is because of the US and EU intervention..If that suport was fully withdrawn (including the nukes) Israel would probably last about 5 minutes..! Hence the support..

bollocks
you mean the same way she lasted 5 minutes in 1948 when the bloody brits [ i'm one, so i can say it] departed, carefully handing most armament etc. to the arabs?
sorry - don't mean to be offensive, but it's a crock .......
you may disagree with the 1948 descision that brought israel into being but you surely can't believe that she only survived thus far because of luck and largess?

[SARGE]

THIS JUST IN: LONDON (Reuters) - Hamas and President Mahmoud Abbas urged foreign donors on Monday to lift threats to cut vital aid to a new Hamas-led Palestinian government but the United States stood firm, saying it would not directly aid the militant group.


i guess what Hamas is saying is that ' sure we blow up busses, kill innocent people, and want to wipe the Jews off the face of the planet, but...


coud you spare a few bucks....


we're short on Det-Cord..'

[MisterD]

So if it is good enough for us to stay here as a result of conquest, why should the Israelis be any different?

We're not here as the result of conquest, we're here because lots of Europeans arrived to exploit the local resources and were behaving very badly. So the ToW was cooked up to make NZ part of the British Empire and guarantee Maori the same rights as British citizens.

We have a parliament in this country in which a Maori vote has the same (some would say greater) influence as an non-Maori vote....

[rogson]

What amuses me is the idealistic and naive view of the Bush administration that forcing a one-man-one vote election miraculously establishes a democracy.

Democracies only endure because they are based on strong democratic institutions - respect for individual property rights, the rule of law, sanctity of contract, an indpendent judiciary, civil service, police, etc., and above all a recognition in the population that these things are more important/fundamental than the views of any particular political faction at any particular time.

I remember reading an article around the time Afganistan was voting for its new president. The chief of a tribe in one of the regions got his advisors together to decide what they were going to do. He subsequently went to Kabul and proudly told one of the candidates that his tribe had decided to participate in the democratic process, that he had decided his tribe was going to vote for the particular candidate and asked which government ministry he would given in return.

[v.ros`]

Problem in the M.E is they too busy trying to gain power for each other... they just soo damn thick not realising that at the end of the day... everyone in palestine wants the same thing - peace or their own State..

now if they actually work together for this and if all the arab leaders also get together... maybe then they can do something and improve the whole region. They dont realise they have the power to control the whole world economy as they got the biggest comodity in the world - OIL !!!

[Marmoot]

Democracies only endure because they are based on strong democratic institutions - respect for individual property rights, the rule of law, sanctity of contract, an indpendent judiciary, civil service, police, etc., and above all a recognition in the population that these things are more important/fundamental than the views of any particular political faction at any particular time.

True dat.

Democracy can only be sustained in a society with relatively-high civilization (read: education level), mutual respect for human lives, law and order, and welfare.

Without high education, the so-called democracy scheme becomes a field for everyday propaganda war.

Without mutual respect for human lives, the so-called democracy scheme will be rich with political assassinations and clashes between groups of people.

Without law and order, the so-called democracy scheme becomes a matter of the one with loudest voice and biggest muscle wins.

Without welfare, the so-called democracy scheme becomes simple money-politics.

Introducing democracy in M.E. with a fire-and-forget method is just another way of changing the regime with a new regime.