Taking responsibility for one's own life

[Colapop]

What interested me with these cases is the situations that these people were in where their kids had to witness these crimes. In the first case the child witnessed the father getting stabbed and in the second the child found the stabbed father. Without knowing the full story it's hard to place judgement. To my knowledge it is not everyday occurence for a parent to be stabbed either in front of their child/children or to be stabbed then found by their child/children. While there are crimes of this nature that happen to people who would not normally be in the 'wrong place at the wrong time', the majority of stabbings/killings happen because somebody is involved with people who would, and do, commit this sort of crime and others.
I would have thought that if these people wanted their children to be cared for they would have gotten them away from those situations in the first place. That would be responsible parenting... Then you wouldn't hear about them complaining that ACC isn't helping. Just after another handout if you ask me.

[marty]

she could move to invercargill, do a social services certificate for free at southland polytech, and do her own councelling.

it's just a thought....

[marty]

oh hang on - that would involve helping yourself, instead of waiting for everyone to jump for you

[myvice]

oh hang on - that would involve helping yourself, instead of waiting for everyone to jump for you

You hartless bastard! How dare you expect people to help themselves or there children!
It pisses me off how many times you hear the "I've done nothing and am all out of ideas. Why isn’t the government giving me a cheque?"
But I'm in South Auckland so it’s expected here! People have no desire to stand on there own feet, often, as in this case, to the detriment of their children.
Wouldn’t shed a tear if ACC was scraped, get health/medical cover as a work perk and everyone pays less tax.
Which is why it won’t happen.

[KATWYN]

My point wasn't about an apparent "double standard" for ACC providing counselling services: that is another argument entirely (and one on which I have strong views). My point was about parents/care-givers denying their children appropriate and relevant care because they think that somebody else should be taking responsibility for organising and paying for it.

Hey Hitcher, my perspective on your origional post is that the mothers never actually said that just because ACC wont pay then they won't provide their children with trauma counselling some other way? They just said that ACC wouldn't pay for it??

[Hitcher]

My assumption from watching the article was the kids had not received any counselling. A corollary being that counselling is no good unless somebody else organises and pays for it. Another corollary being that if the child had had a broken limb or a "real" medical condition, a caring parent/care-giver would have taken urgent action earlier.

My original post was not "getting" at counsellors (I believe suitable skilled ones can do wonders) or the ACC system. It was about taking personal responsibility. Hence the dig at bikers who fail to take adequate precautions to ensure the well-being of themselves or their pillions.

[KATWYN]

My original post was not "getting" at counsellors (I believe suitable skilled ones can do wonders) or the ACC system.

Yea thats right, you did make yourself clear in your origional post

I thought that it was the case, I just never saw the
programme. - You are right, its pretty bad people don't take responsibility

[MD]

Well said Hitcher. Sadly you and me are idiots. We left school and chose to get a job without reading the fine print about becoming a tax payer.

Forthwith you must work to feed and care for your self and your family. No hand outs allowed to working scum like you. In addition - this is the sting, you must pay for those others that chose to let you support them.

Why after decades of working has no one else ever been forced to support me. The health system I thought I was paying for treats workers like second class scum. Ever tried public health without a community card. So I have to pay more for health insurance to get what I was supposedly paying for.
Oh dear, you've depressed me and I'll have to pay for counselling.

[madboy]

"Hi, my name is [insert dumbass name here]. I got knocked up at 16 so I didn't finish school. [puff] Not that I was there much anyway, aye! Now my eldest baby is 9, and my other babies are 7, 6, 4 and 2. Their fathers are all really good guys, oh except the father of the youngest one, but he'll be out soon so we'll see how that goes. [puff] I really love him, aye. He treats me real good, it's only every now and then that he loses it. I can't get a job, aye, cos like who's gonna look after my babies? [puff] And like, I can't get a job that'll pay enough. I've never worked, aye. And like da Warehouse pays shit. I see those rich f***kers in like new cars, own their own house, but I can't afford that aye. You know, like, I've got debts aye. And I got a XBox on layby for da kids for Christmas. WINZ is real good. They help out like when I run outta money and can't afford the groceries, which is quite a bit aye. [puff] There's so much tax on cigarettes, I reckon that's just rude. I mean it's over $10 for a pack, and that's like a day or two max [puff]."

This is what NZ is breeding.

[myvice]

"Hi, my name is [insert dumbass name here]. I got knocked up at 16 so I didn't finish school. [puff] Not that I was there much anyway, aye! Now my eldest baby is 9, and my other babies are 7, 6, 4 and 2. Their fathers are all really good guys, oh except the father of the youngest one, but he'll be out soon so we'll see how that goes. [puff] I really love him, aye. He treats me real good, it's only every now and then that he loses it. I can't get a job, aye, cos like who's gonna look after my babies? [puff] And like, I can't get a job that'll pay enough. I've never worked, aye. And like da Warehouse pays shit. I see those rich f***kers in like new cars, own their own house, but I can't afford that aye. You know, like, I've got debts aye. And I got a XBox on layby for da kids for Christmas. WINZ is real good. They help out like when I run outta money and can't afford the groceries, which is quite a bit aye. [puff] There's so much tax on cigarettes, I reckon that's just rude. I mean it's over $10 for a pack, and that's like a day or two max [puff]."

This is what NZ is breeding.

"Gee, sorry to hear that.
If you would just like to come with me for a moment and stand in front of this wall, yes the one with the pock marks, and I'll be back in just a moment to collect your body... YOU, to collect you... Wont be a tick..."

[Beemer]

I'm self-employed and my husband works full-time and we get no hand outs at all. I pay for my own medical insurance and if I'm sick and can't work, tough luck. If I have an accident, they will pay me a percentage of the money earned in the previous eight (I think) weeks. So I don't want to have an accident at Christmas because I'd more than likely get 80% of nothing! We pay for everything we own ourselves and don't get any tax breaks because we don't have kids.

Any wonder we get annoyed when we see many of those on benefits doing nothing to deserve them - other than being young, pregnant, thick and lazy. Our parents would have had too much pride to take something for nothing, they would have taken any job, no matter how low it paid, before they'd accept a hand out.

It's about time people realised that everyone has the potential to "have it all", whatever that is, the only obstacle is getting off your bum and working for it. You make your choices and you live with them, stop blaming other people for your lack of ambition and desire!

[vifferman]

My original post ... was about taking personal responsibility.

Indeed.
It's a sad indictment of our times and culture that people are to ready to blame others, blame the Gubmint, or to cry, "There should be a law against it!", rather than say, "I'm going to do something about this / admit it's my fault / take a stand / sort it out / help with this." Or whatever.

So we have things like "killer roads", new laws passed seemingly every day, gradual erosion of our personal liberties, and an increasingly irresponsible and selfish population. Where's it going? :spudwhat:

[enigma51]

Its the same story (only no tax money involved) with the fitness at school thing. There is a group of people (not ethnic specific) that think there childrens well being is the responsibility of the goverment etc well you did the breeding you do the teaching etc. Its just to easy for people to run to the goverement funds and get things for "free" and if they dont they bitch about it while the children (in this case) suffer. Yes bitch about it but make sure your child gets the best there is to offer.

The thing that suprises me is that about 80% of people i have spoke to about these types things (like the benefit etc) feels that its a load of shit or is it that i am just speaking to the wrong people? so how come if so many people feel so strong about a subject nothing gets done about it?

A well i dont have children so what do i know!

[KATWYN]

?

A well i dont have children so what do i know!

For a start you not having children gives you the ability to look
at the situation objectively with no bias or emotion to cloud your
judgement

[ManDownUnder]

The state has been looking after so many for so long, people don't know to look after themselves.

Them - "I need councelling... ACC HELP!"
ACC - "No."
Them - "hmmm - it seems I don't need councelling"

Should be
Them - "I need councelling - can I get it from the State?"
ACC - "No."
Them - "OK - now I need to fund it another way"

Note - I didn't say they don't know HOW to look after themselves. They do. They just don't think to do it.

Sad really.

Edit - I offer (as further evidence) the recent discussion on Schools finding an hour a day to get kids exercising - make 'em less fat! Why is the school responsible for my kid's physical health? I thought it was a place of learning.