some wheelie tips pls..?

**bugjuice** · 4th March 2006, 11:28

just found something else I'm gonna have a try at..

The thread I found this in, also explained that when you 'bounce it up', not to do as most newbs think (me included) which is a bounce on the handle bars, but more a bounce on the pegs.. I'll have to try that instead.. no one has mentioned/explained that before.. This clip is what that shows, in an exaggerated way, so now I understand it a lot better and I'm gonna give it a go soon

**aff-man** · 4th March 2006, 11:42

Originally Posted by bugjuice

just found something else I'm gonna have a try at..

The thread I found this in, also explained that when you 'bounce it up', not to do as most newbs think (me included) which is a bounce on the handle bars, but more a bounce on the pegs.. I'll have to try that instead.. no one has mentioned/explained that before.. This clip is what that shows, in an exaggerated way, so now I understand it a lot better and I'm gonna give it a go soon

you coming tomorrow?

**bugjuice** · 4th March 2006, 11:43

in more ways than one....

**loosebruce** · 4th March 2006, 12:18

Originally Posted by Zed

Before this bike I only ever used to use the clutch to get it up, now i don't use it at all. It does the bike good NOT to use the clutch btw, and there is definately more control on power!

I dont reckon, i love the clutch, i used to use the clutch on the TL all the time, it's great to bring the front up fast and right to the point, it's just a matter of keeping the throttle on full and backing it off at the right point, okay i haven't been using it on the GSXR, now i've dropped gearing and done a few mods, the thing pulls the front up in 3rd on the power above 135kph, 2nd now 65-70kph easy on the power, 1st is a little touchy at the mo, i just have to work on getting smoother on my control, but i have started pinging the clutch in 2nd at speeds like 40-50kph, even at lower speed in 3rd 110-120kph.
Using the power definitly brings it up smoother but it also takes longer and you use more revs as it comes up, i haven't really bothered trying to change gears all the time, as my main goal is too keep my speeds down, you get into 4th on a GSXR1000 and you are fair hauling, you can fly along in 3rd quickly enough, but yea i want to be up on the BP at slow speed, 110kph kinda shit, and then work on getting even slower, plus i want to work on smoother 1st gear control, bit jerky, cant understand took grunta's K2 out and did nice powerstands in 1st, am hopeless on the K3? Go figure, looking forward to tomorrow.

**ukbandit** · 4th March 2006, 15:19

thanks mate like to try and help the loons with stuff ive found out sometimes the hard way. a few times in the begining got me pooper going come down so hard slam me chest into the tank cos i was looking at the front of the bike instead of the road ahead. i found if you can find a place where no one else is around you relax a lot more and get real progress also your not getting the kodak courage trying to impress others get the practice in then show off your stuff once you can do it you just cant resist shit it feels good when you pull away from the lights and cross the junction way up in the air just the look on the peds faces makes it all worth it

**Zed** · 5th March 2006, 06:49

Originally Posted by loosebruce

...okay i haven't been using it on the GSXR, now i've dropped gearing and done a few mods,

...i haven't really bothered trying to change gears all the time, as my main goal is too keep my speeds down,

Yeah I have similar goals to you in this area LB, can't wait till my new chain/sprocket kit gets here as no doubt it will make it heaps easier for me to develop my skills (still a learner here), especially now that i'm sold on changing thru the gears!!

**DEATH_INC.** · 5th March 2006, 08:29

I pretty much always use the clutch.it gets it up to balance quicker. Even on the 12 in first and on my one blat on lb's thou. btw no need to shift on the thou, it comes up easy in second at 100k or so with the clutch and will happily sit on 200, still in second...

**bugjuice** · 6th March 2006, 08:48

ok, so what I learnt at the weekend - I tried what the vid said, didn't work. I can't bounce and accelerate while trying to staying on at the same time, at the moment, so I gave up on that.

I tried a few second gear clutch wheelies, and I just ended up wheelspinning and stressing my hand and clutch, and just generally not getting it very high very often. Had a few breaks (rest-breaks!), and watched the other guys do it. I just couldn't figure it out. One minute, they're on two wheels, the next second, they're on one, with no effort at all!! grrrrrrrr.. been practicing for over a year now, and still can't fukin do it.. Get back on, try some more 2nd gear ones, same luck.

Ok, what about first? Reliably comes up every time (albeit a little violent) and I can get used to the height which is one of my issues. Sweet.. clutching up in first works a treat every time.. Hand starting to strain tho, gotta figure something else out..

Bruce stops me, we have a chat about technique and how to handle the bike. 'Do it off the power' he says.. Well, I've done that, just outright accelerate in 1st, keep your arms straight, bum back a little, and the power will pick the front up, but towards the end of the revs, so you don't have too much left to play with, and a good tug might see some half decent air. It's ok for now..
Bruce (aka Yoda for me

) then tells me a slightly different technique. One that I've been waiting for all my short wheelieing career. Something I should have bloody figured out a long time ago, and something I want to share for every newb trying to get the wheel up. I just can't believe how effortless it is, and reliable every time I've tried so far;

accelerate fairly hard (3/4 or more, I think) in 1st (on a 600 I guess, any 3 on a thou) back off then 100% on the gas quick and keep arms straight and bum back. The trick is to be on and off the gas quick. That loads the front up when you roll off, then gassin it hard unloads the front to the point it heads skywards. I even tried it on cold tyres (Avon Vipers® ) this morning, and no problem whatsoever.

The stand up thing will be next, now that I can get it up, and getting used to the height.

It sounds like such a simple thing to do, yet no one explained it to me properly, or like Bruce did. The very first try after talking with him, and it worked, no problem.. Not saying there aren't other wheelie kings here, it's just Bruce was the one who made it click on the day.. thanx for reading and give him some bling..

**texmo** · 6th March 2006, 08:52

Sweet not long before your sitting on balance point now buggy.

**Fishy** · 6th March 2006, 09:01

Hey Buggy, were you trying that technique in first or second?

**bugjuice** · 6th March 2006, 09:01

nope, now I can get it up every time, and at any height I dare, I can start getting used to it now. I felt I improved heaps after learning that, so now it's just doing it more, and I'll have it in no time

I was doing it in first. For 6 hundies, probably 2nd is too optimistic, but with enough skill I guess it could be done. On a thou, I'm guessing first second, and possibly third at a high enough speed.

Also forgot to mention, accelerate and build the revs up to just before your power kicks in. For my bike, that's around 8 or 9gs, but I know thous don't rev quite as high. So you'll have to practice on your sweet spot.

Also, I changed down from 2nd into 1st and cruised, then just shut it off and back on, and it came up too, didn't really accelerate much at all..

**loosebruce** · 6th March 2006, 14:21

No worries on the help Kit, happy to lend a hand, that technique is called "off the throttle" i'd say it's almost best to use full throttle then back off then right back onto full throttle, the more momentum you can build before chopping the throttle the better, it works a treat in first on any decent powered bike, second gear on a 600cc and 1000cc twins is good its just getting the timing right, 2nd you want to be well high in the revs, 9000rpm+ kinda shit. Off the throttle is good to use as it does tend to bring the front up smoother but a bit more urgently than outright power wheelies do on a 600cc, It's also a nice method for wheelieing in the wet, other ways are slightly depressing the back brake, the TL was awesome in the wet, all that low down grunt even dumping the clutch with a racetec on the rear it'll still hook skywards. keep at it Kit and anyone else out there giving it a go.

**bugjuice** · 6th March 2006, 14:45

yeah, was thinking that could work well in the wet..
And was going thru the motions in my head, and thinking with enough balls, my bike still pulls hard in 2nd, so shouldn't be too much of a problem.. just means I'll be seeing the later end of something like 120 when I go to start the wheelie!!

I actually just stuck it in first, then very minutely off/on the power and it came up.. I can't understand how I've never done this before, and how fricken easy it is.. However, I only did it 3 times this morning (7 minute ride into work), and yesterday, so hopefully I'll have it goin still tonight..

cheers again, can't say it enough (also can't bling you any more

)

**ukbandit** · 6th March 2006, 18:29

hi guys thanks for the weekend its been quite a while since ive been out playing
bug you done well just keep plugging away dont go to mad at first we want to see you on the next dayout bruce i have the solution to your tank wheelies so you wont slip off and do your nuts velcro your arse to the tank what you think

good pics from erik got the vid stuff on the pc will get some on site soon all you going to the wed night meet have fun ..........se ya