Pleeease...can we give it a rest

[Scouse]

If the system entitles him to diversion why shouldn't he get it? Because he's an All Black? Does being an AB make him more culpable than a non AB in the same situation?

Diversion has to be agreed to by the victim and by the courts. The offender has to complete diversionary tasks, if they don't they get the conviction and lose the option of diversion for any future offending. By the way, all this happens in the District Court.

Ah but the way I heard it on news talk the victim did not agree he said so himself on the phone

[spudchucka]

They aren't doing much to help themselves out !!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...897#post497897

And the reported facts were that after the attack, the person bundled the dog in the car and scarpered - this was before it was revealed he was a policeman.

I spoke to an Inspector about this very incident last night and he confirmed that the reported facts you speak of were in fact wrong. Doesn't stop the Dom from printing whatever they feel like though.

[spudchucka]

Ah but the way I heard it on news talk the victim did not agree he said so himself on the phone

Didn't hear it myself so I can't comment. The victim agreeing to diversion is one of the usual standards applied to the diversionary process. Thats not to say there may be some cases where it is approved without their consent. Whether that was the case with Lauaki I couldn't say.

[madboy]

So, Kronos, you're saying I should automatically respect someone who stops me, and in response to "What contribution are you currently making to road safety?" can't answer the question, and doesn't even have the balls to say the reason they're giving me a ticket is because I was exceeding the speed limit, not because I was necessarily doing anything dangerous? And I should automatically respect people who abuse their authority by fabricating information on a summary of facts? And I should automatically respect someone who willfully damages my vehicle (baton through windscreen) just because he couldn't catch me until then? Not to mention the hypocrisy of these fellas exceeding the speed limit at will (65 in a 50 folks) and then issueing tickets to others for that. And the HP fella who pulls me over, listens to my explanation of why I had no WOF/Reg/Front bumper, that I'm currently working that night and need my car, and won't be finishing until such and such time. Tells me to make sure I go straight home after work, and if he sees me out any later will ticket me. So for once I did what I was told... and got a ticket in the mail within a week. WTF? These are people I should automatically respect?

My view may be warped by exposure to too many bad cops. And I'm not saying they're all bad, I've met a few who really were professional and appeared to have ethics and integrity. But if saying that our force is worth respect because it's better than Vietnam, you might as well be saying we don't have a drug problem becuase it's nothing like Thailand. I wish I could live with your naivity.

[Pixie]

Utter bollocks.
these people aspired to be upholders of the law, without which you would be living in a society of complete chaos)

That is utter bollocks.
There are many societies in the world were there is little police presence,often the police in many societies are busy earning a living collecting bribes because they can't live on their salaries.
In these societies people just get on with their lives,there is no "chaos".

Where there is chaos,the population tries to escape.
Sudan for instance.

[Patrick]

So, Kronos, you're saying I should automatically respect someone who stops me, and in response to "What contribution are you currently making to road safety?" can't answer the question, and doesn't even have the balls to say the reason they're giving me a ticket is because I was exceeding the speed limit, not because I was necessarily doing anything dangerous? And I should automatically respect people who abuse their authority by fabricating information on a summary of facts? And I should automatically respect someone who willfully damages my vehicle (baton through windscreen) just because he couldn't catch me until then? [/I][/I]

(1) So you attract our attention alot do you???

Not to mention the hypocrisy of these fellas exceeding the speed limit at will (65 in a 50 folks)

(2) Yeah, fair call... we get speed camera tickets too, unless we are on our way to a job...

and then issueing tickets to others for that. And the HP fella who pulls me over, listens to my explanation of why I had no WOF/Reg/Front bumper, that I'm currently working that night and need my car, and won't be finishing until such and such time. Tells me to make sure I go straight home after work, and if he sees me out any later will ticket me. So for once I did what I was told... and got a ticket in the mail within a week. WTF?

(3)That is a bummer... shame some aren't true to their word, but I repeat SOME...(very few, in my 21 years experience).

These are people I should automatically respect?

(4)See earlier response... sounds like you attract our attention a lot... when we could be out there doing something productive...

My view may be warped by exposure to too many bad cops. And I'm not saying they're all bad,

(5) Good recovery...could have fooled me though...

I've met a few who really were professional and appeared to have ethics and integrity. But if saying that our force is worth respect because it's better than Vietnam, you might as well be saying we don't have a drug problem becuase it's nothing like Thailand. I wish I could live with your naivity.

I talk to everyone how I would like them to talk to me...too often though, they up the ante coz they can/are pissed/ are too stupid to realise they can get a warning or getting free advice... After 5-10 minutes you get sick of trying to be nice to someone swearing/spitting performing like a trained seal and you take action. THAT is the ONLY part the shithead remembers and they make out they are the poor innocent party and naughty Policeman was mean and nasty to him when he didn't even do anything wrong...

Wish I had a $$$ for every time I heard that old lemon....

Then you hear about it coz he told somes mates mates neighbour's sister who told her friends hairdressers mothers lesbian lovers kid... must be true then. (No insults intended to hairdressers or lesbians, just two occupations that came up...can I register as a lesbian?)

Two sides to every story ay? But go with the sensationalised one eyed crap coz it sounds much better than the reality. Where else can you spend $0.02these days anyhow?

[Grumpy]

You call a guy a prick enough times sooner or later he's going to act like a prick.

How can someone deal with the shit a cop has to day in and day out and not be affected by it?

[Patrick]

Yeah... they often tell ya how they will rape ya Mrs and kill ya kids while swearing spitting and abusing you, but you call him a dick with nothing else added either at the end of it all...seen how upset they get with that???!!!!

P.C.A. and all....bossess telling you off for being unprofessional, etc...etc...

[Sketchy_Racer]

**snip**

My theory is, if you get caught doing something illigal, take it in the chin.

yes thats is good.

but sometimes there is a reason for this thing called 'descretion'. Cops dont seem to have much any more. (although some still do)
now i still believe that if you get caught doing 150 kph or something silly like that, It serves you right.

there was a write up in a Kiwi rider mag a year ago (i think) about it.

[marty]

discretion is used occasionally. just yesterday a hp mate of mine stopped in for a donut and coffee, and told me about this green motorbike out pukeatua way that he clocked at 235, and just watched him ride by, thinking 'jeez i hope he knows what he's doing'.....

[Scouse]

discretion is used occasionally. just yesterday a hp mate of mine stopped in for a donut and coffee, and told me about this green motorbike out pukeatua way that he clocked at 235, and just watched him ride by, thinking 'jeez i hope he knows what he's doing'.....

Does he seem to think that at 235kph he had an option to chase and catch this guy

[marty]

can't fucklin win can ya. obviously too subtle to some, the point was, he didn't even try.

[Colapop]

That is utter bollocks.
There are many societies in the world were there is little police presence,often the police in many societies are busy earning a living collecting bribes because they can't live on their salaries.
In these societies people just get on with their lives,there is no "chaos".

Where there is chaos,the population tries to escape.
Sudan for instance.

You say little police presence not 'no' police presence. If the police in those countries that you allude to do their job that well, and theere is little propensity in that culture for people to commit crime then those places will appear to be comparitively un-policed.
But as you have said in countries where there is no police presence there is complete chaos and people are always trying to leave ie. Sudan.

Where there are no societal controls the law of the strongest prevails. Whether it's strength in terms of physical strength or phschological strength. Have we in NZ gotten so caught up in the, usually media generated, hype that we are unable to take on the responsibilty of our actions? We have established in this thread that the police in NZ are under resoursed and under staffed. How can we expect service from an organisation that has been treated by, succesive, governments so poorly - with progressively higher demands?

[terbang]

I have mates who are either cops or ex-cops and they all know my views on traffic policing in this country. Some of them are not fans of aviators and also think that thier dentist is a rip off pian merchant. Until we become a police state I guess we are allowed to have our opinions and our say (right or wrong). If people don't like what they see here or on any chat group, there is allways the back button.

[kro]

That is utter bollocks.
There are many societies in the world were there is little police presence,often the police in many societies are busy earning a living collecting bribes because they can't live on their salaries.
In these societies people just get on with their lives,there is no "chaos".

Name some of these societies, I am genuinely curious. This is not a challenge to justify your comment, but a chance for me to further my learning, I love reading.