Braided brake lines

[Lou Girardin]

WOF inspectors have considerable power and some of them get a real hard-on using it (or a wide-on, in the case of the female inspectress at the testing station in Tory St, who failed my work vehicle for an empty windscreen washer bottle. I should have pissed in it while she waited)

That's news to me, since when were washers a WOF requirement?
Lou

[SPman]

That's news to me, since when were washers a WOF requirement?
Lou

Little people in little jobs wanting to feel powerful.........

[Motu]

92 on,but some of the testing station gestapo think anything with a windsheild needs them - tell em to get fucked...and like,if ya can't pour water into the bottle for the lady...hellooooh?

Like the prick who failed one of my customers for a loose fuel cap...duh,it was loose,you had your hand on it,how easy was it to just do it up.He probably goes home at night and says ''mummy,everyone hates me,sniff,sniff''

[750Y]

dam if she failed you on the water bottle she musta really wanted you to come back huh. next it'll be the rear seat belts and would you like to climb in for a closer look young man.

[Drunken Monkey]

You guys are so unlucky. Had braided lines on the '88 gixxer. The only responses I ever got from WOF testers were:

"Wow check out this guys brakes! Ever seen a bike stop like this?" *Applies quick stop with 1 finger only*

Then the big thumbs up...

[Eddieb]

I will have to see what happens with my bike, the WOF expires this week and I'll try and get it in this weekend or early next week.

When I bought the bike back from the UK last year I had to replace the braided lines I had with new ones because they had no markings on them. I got new ones with all the right markings from Motorad in Lower Hutt and they were approved by VTNZ on Tory street. They are screw on not crimped so might be interesting.

I'll be going back to VTNZ because they passed the import mechanical check, if they fail them I will be kicking up a stink cause they approved them 6 months ago.

[vifferman]

Eddie,

Just got the word from the horse's mouth - it's only the markings that are the problem. My screw-on fittings and the rest of the lines are fine, or would be if the had the relevant 'DOT' markings. Now where's me felt-tipped marker pen...

Update:
Went to MotoHaus (next door to MotoMail in Kingsland) and had Kerry replace the brake lines with some that weren't particularly different, apart from having the all-important LTSA approval due to the relevant DOT number being printed on the lines. So now I don't got to worry no more.

Also had him change the rear brake fluid, clutch fluid, and tyres while the bike was on the hoist. It now sports shiny newAvon Azaros - an AV36 S/T rear, and an AV49 Sport front.

He's a Top Bloke, that Kerry.

[pete376403]

That's news to me, since when were washers a WOF requirement?
Lou

I was told by one tester that, basically, any item on a vehicle when it was registered as new, has to work when tested. I've also been failed on (Mazda Capella wagon) exhaust pipe extending too far at the rear (because the rear bumper wasn't fitted). The lack of bumper wasn't an issue, just that the pipe stuck out too far. In another instance, I had a Corolla wagon, which had a mesh rack behind the drivers seat and the rear seats were bolted down. Tory St LTSA failed this because they couldn't check the rear belts. "Um, no one can use the rear belts, because the seats are bolted down". Didn't matter, because it was registered as a 5 passenger, she (yes, that one again) had to check five sets of belts. She said my employer could re-register the car as a two seater, or else remove the rack and unbolt the seats.

[pete376403]

dam if she failed you on the water bottle she musta really wanted you to come back huh. next it'll be the rear seat belts and would you like to climb in for a closer look young man.

See my reply to Lou and I will NEVER go back to that place.

[wkid_one]

I will have to see what happens with my bike, the WOF expires this week and I'll try and get it in this weekend or early next week.

When I bought the bike back from the UK last year I had to replace the braided lines I had with new ones because they had no markings on them. I got new ones with all the right markings from Motorad in Lower Hutt and they were approved by VTNZ on Tory street. They are screw on not crimped so might be interesting.

I'll be going back to VTNZ because they passed the import mechanical check, if they fail them I will be kicking up a stink cause they approved them 6 months ago.

Had mine done by GSS in Penrose for the VTR - they never had a problem with these through the WOF's. Didn't even mention them once. These are made to order on the spot - and are then not preassembled and unless you shrink wrap them yourself - they come as exposed braided hoses (you will want to cover them as they are quite abrasive and can rip through the plastic and soft metals under the cluster pretty easily).....just get some 7mm Black Loom piping from RepCo - works a treat.

[Drunken Monkey]

In another instance, I had a Corolla wagon, which had a mesh rack behind the drivers seat and the rear seats were bolted down. Tory St LTSA failed this because they couldn't check the rear belts. "Um, no one can use the rear belts, because the seats are bolted down". Didn't matter, because it was registered as a 5 passenger, she (yes, that one again) had to check five sets of belts. She said my employer could re-register the car as a two seater, or else remove the rack and unbolt the seats.

hmmmm...I ripped out the rear seats and belts from my Supra. The testing station guy said I had to take it back if I put them back in to get the seat anchors and the belts retested, but otherwise he marked the sheet as "presented without rear seats or belts" and passed it...I didn't even think there was a 'number of seats' based registration here - can't see anything on my MR3 form that says "4 seater", it only has:
Make, Model, Vehicle Year, CC Rating, body type, VIN/Chassis #, Engine #, Vehicle usage, Registered in, First registered.

Dude, I think you were had...(or at least dealt with someone who didn't understand the finer points of their job...)

[Motu]

No,to be classed as a commercial vehicle the rear seat needs to be removed,and the belts too,this is to make sure that it is a comercial vehicle and not just a passenger vehicle with the seat pushed forward.If the load space is more than the passenger space you don't need rear belts.No matter how clear the rules,someone can still reinterperate them in a ''new'' way.

[Drunken Monkey]

No,to be classed as a commercial vehicle the rear seat needs to be removed,and the belts too,this is to make sure that it is a comercial vehicle and not just a passenger vehicle with the seat pushed forward.If the load space is more than the passenger space you don't need rear belts.No matter how clear the rules,someone can still reinterperate them in a ''new'' way.

You're talking about a 'work vehicle' for Fringe Benefit Tax purposes - ie to not have to pay FBT on a vehicle, it must be a 'work vehicle' only, not available to staff after normal business hours. Bolting the seats down, cargo cage and visible sign writing are all parts of this requirement. I direct you to the IR409 pamphlet for more information on this subject.
That's got nowt to do with REGISTRATION of a vehicle or a WARRANT OF FITNESS. A car can have back seats and still be a 'commerical' vehicle as far as the LTSA/road licensing is concerned, just look at Taxis.
TWO seperate issues not TO be confused!

[Motu]

No,I'm talking about WoF - notto be confused with registration.

[FROSTY:Me]

The man to talk to is a fella called alex Gee --hes a low volume vehicle certifier --Ie He gets outragous bikes onto the road.
As I understand it there are two problems with braided lines
1) if the lines aren't stamped with a standard or have a letter of standard there is a chance they will fail - We all say -yea mine wont but not all braided lines are alike and there are those that might fail.
2) proven cycle ability.-Noone has done a test to see how well braided wire stands up to constant repeated flexing as in on a bikes brakes.
aircraft replace their brake lines after a certain number of landings.