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**Grahameeboy** · 10th March 2006, 16:01

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Probably yes. I know, I did this sort of thing when I was yound, despite knowing it was illegal and that my father would not approve. As did many of my friends, as did many here no doubt.

Fair enough.....I guess the mere fact that the Dad approved him going up and down the street was enough to give the boy a "Key"......as opposed to if the Dad had not let him go up and down the street which was an absolute No No....if that makes sense.

**Grahameeboy** · 10th March 2006, 16:02

Originally Posted by jaybee180

Gixxer you are a narrow minded git, and Lou you are so bitter and twisted your posts don't even warrant reading these days.

I am sorry but you are right.....

**HenryDorsetCase** · 10th March 2006, 16:16

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

I imagine now a lot of farmers will be thinking "shit this could happen to me" and they will at least hold of until their children are a little older than four before letting them ride a large sized farm quad bike on their own.

hopefully thats the lesson that will be taught by the publicity.

and maybe that was the point of the whole thing?

**Lou Girardin** · 10th March 2006, 16:26

Originally Posted by jaybee180

Gixxer you are a narrow minded git, and Lou you are so bitter and twisted your posts don't even warrant reading these days.

But you did read it.
Try a reasoned argument, based on sound opinions and forget the abuse. Unless, of course, you dont have one.

**sefer** · 10th March 2006, 16:30

Sorry, but I have to say when I saw that this guy was charged I thought "about time."
I'd challenge anyone on this site to do a little research and see exactly how many children a year are killed on NZ farms cause daddy thought having his kid out with him at his WORK, in a WORK situation, where there are a huge number of hazzards are was a great idea. Think about it, if your a machinest do you take your kid on to the shop floor with you? Let them operate the machines? Do taxi drivers let their kids drive their taxis around? Who would be responisble if your kid was hurt? Probably the owner or manager of where ever you work.

I work with kids everyday, all older than four, and the fact is that most kids have enough trouble co-ordernating their own bodies to get accross a room without falling over something or someone, so how is letting someone younger than that drive a heavy work vehicle a bright idea?

In the end I'm sure this was simply a charge laid in an attempt to get farmers in NZ to actually think about, and hopefully change their "she'll be right mate" attitudes, and hopefully the fact that a judge was sympathetic (as was expected I'm sure) doesn't undermine that.

Enough with the rant.

**jaybee180** · 10th March 2006, 16:33

Personally I don't think you are into any "reasoned" argument at all. You have some narrow minded perception that every cop in New Zealand is on some mission to make your life and every other law abiding citizen's life hell. Well unfortunately we don't have the time and the resources to do this.

You don't have all the facts, and considering you were once a traffic cop I would think you would know how the system works. I'm sure that prosecutions have resulted from incidents you attended in your time that you didn't necessarily agree with - and if the truth be told - it's generally the "Old timers" from the traffic department days who have made their way through the ranks of the Police (which they got into purely by being a traffic cop) that make a lot of these decisions!!!!!

So before you guys continue to point the finger at people doing their job - get off your fat arses and stop whinging on here and do something about it.

Not everything is as it seems - but I get the feeling that if you don't see the sense in it then it can't possibly have a reason for being!

Must be fun on your planet?

**Wonko** · 10th March 2006, 17:05

I agree the police are in a "your damned if you do and your damned if you dont" position. The guy fucked up and he has to live with it for the rest of his life. The police probably knew that they were not going to get a conviction from the case, but this has highlight the danger and the practice of young children riding adult quad bikes.

How many of you would let a 7 year old loose on a cbr1000?

Even in a controlled environment accidents happen.

**Aitch** · 10th March 2006, 17:30

From what I gather, remembering that I'm not a lawyer, but the definition of manslaughter (very loosely translated from legalese) is that if you do something stoopid and someone dies, then you're guilty of manslaughter.
Now, this guy was stoopid. And regardless of how bad he feels, or how badly his life has been effected in my opinion he was guilty of manslaughter.
However the jury (in my opinion) either was swayed by emotive arguements from the defence, or didn't trust the judge to take his anguish and remorse into account, and so returned a not guilty verdict.
I'm pretty sure that had they returned a guilty verdict the judge would have given him a non custodial sentence, or even convicted and discharged.
I have a 4 year old son, and I would no sooner let him drive a quad (or a car, or a boat) than I would give him a loaded firearm.

As for the cops laying charges, it's their duty to bring before the courts anyone who may have committed an offence. Then it's up to the courts to try that person and sentence them if they are found guilty. We're bloody lucky to live in country where the enforcement and judicial systems are seperate.

**DEATH_INC.** · 10th March 2006, 18:07

My two cents for what it's worth, The quad is simply a tool on a farm, like a spade or a horse or a hammer.....it's perfectly normal to let kids use these things on farms, and has been for years, as is the lack of helmet usage. The guy obviously thought his girl could use it safely, he's prolly watched her do it heaps of times. This time unfortunately it went wrong, it happens and it happens to adults too. I don't think it warranted a prosecution. Would you prosecute the parent of a child if they crashed a pushbike and died?

**Sniper** · 10th March 2006, 18:09

Don't sit on the fence GIXser, tell us what you really think

**spudchucka** · 10th March 2006, 18:36

Originally Posted by GIXser

Now youve read this go and write a ticket you fuckin losers-----

Whatever you say oh master.:slap:

What a fucken idiot!

**spudchucka** · 10th March 2006, 18:38

Originally Posted by Buster

Why would they do that?

Because a 4 year old died needlessly through the carelessness of an adult.

**terbang** · 10th March 2006, 18:42

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

My two cents for what it's worth, The quad is simply a tool on a farm, like a spade or a horse or a hammer.....it's perfectly normal to let kids use these things on farms, and has been for years, as is the lack of helmet usage. The guy obviously thought his girl could use it safely, he's prolly watched her do it heaps of times. This time unfortunately it went wrong, it happens and it happens to adults too. I don't think it warranted a prosecution. Would you prosecute the parent of a child if they crashed a pushbike and died?

Ok I'm gonna let my 4 year old use my chainsaw cos its just another tool down on the farm..!

I feel a Tui ad coming on here..