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[froggyfrenchman]

GIXer... How does this become a personal attack on S&S or any other cop on this site? Thats like a cop coming on here and abusing all of us for the actions of one rider....

[HenryDorsetCase]

Drinking and driving is a bit different for all I care you can fucking die in jail if you drink drive crash and kill someone! (I feel some red rep coming my way! )

you got green from me. I agree entirely.

[ManDownUnder]

Jesus GIXer - ditch the emotion and names - stick to the facts as you know 'em.

For the record - I disagree with what happened either... but not being in possesion of all the facts - I elected to not get the ammo out.

Course I could be wrong - you could know all the facts... in which case blaze away

edit - I forgot to address this wee gem...

Do the job you were employed to do, "like" FIGHT CRIME---!!!!!

Manslaughter... being in the Crimes Act... ISN'T a crime?

Someone suspected of Manslaughter should NOT go through due process? If found innocent then it's a tough way to go - being dragged through court etc... but that's the PROCESS, not the police. You want to have a go at someone - how about those writing the law, and the process...

[Grahameeboy]

Actualy my parents have friend who was laying paving and his daughter was playing behind him. She got on the gate (without him seeing) and slipped and the spike on top of the gate impaled her killing her instantly. Should he be trialed for not supervising his child or allowing her to play behind me? (He could not live with himself in any case so little too say his not with us anymore). As I said accidents happen if we knew when they where going to happen then at a point in time they are not accidents.

This is different because the Father does not have eyes in the back of his head and the Police would not have prosecuted him.

In the quad case, the Father had his eye on the kid which is fine, although a 4 year old on a 400cc quad, without a helmet is still a worry, but then intentionally took his attention away from the kid to answer the phone when maybe he should have just told the child to stop or not even answered the phone.

One of the problems is that by allowing kids to ride quads on private land is that some kids think that they have permission to take it out whenever, unsupervised.......

In Devonport last year this 15 year old kid was building a motorbike with his Dad who let him ride up and down the road. One day the kid decides to go for a ride further afield.....was it because he didn't see anything wrong with doing his because he Dad had let him ride up and down the road.......the kid hit a parked car and died.....now would the kid have done the same thing if his Dad had not allowed him to ride up and down the road illegally......probably not.

Kids are impressionable.

[Lou Girardin]

The day some mental case bursts into your home & starts to butt-fuck you & shoot ya family, I wonder who you will be screaming for on the phone to come & help.... ? Would like to see you make a sacrifice & quite your day time job to become a cop & make the world a better place. Dick head !

The last time somthing similar happened, the Police cordoned the house and waited. The woman who had been attacked, died while they were outside. They knew she was grieviously hurt, but did not storm the house even though they weren't certain he was there.
I think I'd rely on my own means to defend my loved ones thanks.

[GIXser]

RE: ok ,,,so you are obviously a fuckin pig---- let me tell you" if the above happened to me , i wont call you lot,, you are to busy, " i can recall plenty of cases in the not to distant past" where people have had shit stolen from their property etc etc, only for the cops to turn up several weeks later, and or assaults, with no police response " dont you read the news !!!! and YEAH yeah , we only hear the xtreme bad cases,on the news we dont hear the good things,, why is it then , i drive/ride through the top of symonds street only to find six pigs writing tickets, WOW thats fightin crime!!!!!

You have no idea buddy, wake up!

take a look in the mirror" ---------------and im not your buddy!!!!

[Grahameeboy]

Drinking and driving is a bit different for all I care you can fucking die in jail if you drink drive crash and kill someone! (I feel some red rep coming my way! )

So a sober father is different........

[Buster]

Maybe the cops involved charged him with something they knew wouldnt stick in court so the father could walk free. Teaching everyone a harsh lesson at his expense. But hey, im no cop and wasnt even there to hear the full story. And I dont believe the media.

[ManDownUnder]

Its pretty stupid but i dont know enough details to say wether the charge was appropriate.

and therein is the guts of it.

Those that know all the facts - speak up and criticise away... you have my full endorsement.

[GIXser]

FFS I dont agree with the tone of our first poster but the point should be made somewhere that the guy was bloody irresponsible and fucking stupid, and sure he probably feels bad, but the point of the criminal law is to make people account for their actions. Yes he should have been charged, I knew he would walk as soon as it came up mans laughter though..

A lesser charge ("being a mong and causing the death of a loved one") would have stuck I reckon, and rightly so. or criminal nuisance or reckless endangerment or SOMETHING.

I just could give less of a crap about the defence, which amounted to producing a bunch of other people who said "We're dumb fucks too".

Maybe some overzealous non local Detective Senior Sarge looking to make Inspector? we'll never know.

Please give me a break" losing someone in this instance (and im only talking this instance)

dont you think thats hard enough on a parent/father losing your 4 year old daughter. please!!!!

[ManDownUnder]

Please give me a break" losing someone in this instance (and im only talking this instance)

dont you think thats hard enough on a parent/father losing your 4 year old daughter. please!!!!

Yeah - I think it would be hard... very hard... being a father of some kids about that age it would rip me to shreds if I lost ANY of them. I expect he went through similar... but that doesn't avoid the requirement for due process...

If something is emotionally difficult, does that mean it shouldn't hit court? If so, imagine how many rapists would be on the streets. Their victims wouldn't appear ...

... actually for that matter - imagine how many ARE on the streets... because of that very reason.

And you approve of that?

[Lou Girardin]

I think the problem was that he let his daughter ride a 400 odd kg bike when she was four and weighed 18kgs.

Its pretty stupid but i dont know enough details to say wether the charge was appropriate.

It seems that the jury and, judging from some of his comments, the Judge didn't think it was appropriate at all.
It will be very interesting to see if the defence succeed in winning costs off your employers.

[GIXser]

GIXer... How does this become a personal attack on S&S or any other cop on this site? Thats like a cop coming on here and abusing all of us for the actions of one rider....

YES, i was fuckin angry this morning after reading that!! i have calmed down somewhat!!! i have had some Bad experiences as of late---with incidents like this,
there was an incident a little while ago, where someones car got tagged by some little "shit" i think the kid was 14 , the owner of the car caught him, and decided to spray paint his face, ----- No physical harm was done--- he only did it to teach the kid a lesson, however cops prosecuted the owner of the car, with assault of some kind, and he had to pay the little prick compo"""

bring back the good ol days i say---

[Grahameeboy]

Please give me a break" losing someone in this instance (and im only talking this instance)

dont you think thats hard enough on a parent/father losing your 4 year old daughter. please!!!!

I guess your thread was an attack on the Police so you were not gonaa get a bunch of roses sent to you.

Yes losing your Daughter is hard but we are all accountable and exposed to the law and the problem is that if the judicial system is abused because of sentiment then there is no message to others......if this had gone no further ie to Court......there would have been no message.

Justice was done and surely that is the main thing.

If I left my Daughter alone in her wheelchair and she went in front of a car or even had an accident in the garden and was killed I would expect to be dealt with by the judicial system because I deserved to be because I was irresponsible......to be honest losing my Daughter would be hard enough that having to go to Court would have been nothing in comparison.

[GIXser]

Yeah - I think it would be hard... very hard... being a father of some kids about that age it would rip me to shreds if I lost ANY of them. I expect he went through similar... but that doesn't avoid the requirement for due process...

If something is emotionally difficult, does that mean it shouldn't hit court? If so, imagine how many rapists would be on the streets. Their victims wouldn't appear ...

... actually for that matter - imagine how many ARE on the streets... because of that very reason.

And you approve of that?

we are not talking about a rapist or anything like it--- people keep comparing this to everything else but this case, im talking about this incident---