For COPS only

**GIXser** · 11th March 2006, 20:03

ok,, this is gonna throw, some people--

, i was fuckin angry when i wrote the start of this thread, still am to some extend!!
I have reflected upon some of my posts since< unfortunately it became a personal vendetta" against people in the same line of work, or people with an opposing view to mine, it shouldnt have !

(here it goes)

"I apologize" to all concerned

in saying all that i still have my beliefs, and am sticking by them, on some of the other topics within this thread.

**Winston001** · 11th March 2006, 20:18

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

You can't blame the police for this one, when someone is killed its all looked at pretty closely I would have thought.

That is exactly right. The death of any person is the ultimate alarm bell in law enforcement and medicine. So any suspicion of fault will be investigated and prosecuted even in sad cases like the one in Christchurch where a guy helped his paralysed mate commit suicide. He was acquitted.

**spudchucka** · 11th March 2006, 20:21

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Isn't it down the the prosecutions department what gets to court and what doesn't? All the police do is collect the evidence and put it in front of a pencil pusher - they decide if they think there is a case or not. You can't blame the police for this one, when someone is killed its all looked at pretty closely I would have thought.

Police prosecute in the lower court. Purely indictable offences are prosecuted by the crown solicitors, the case is investigated by the police as normal but it is the crown solicitors who will have the final say as to whether a case should proceed to a prosecution or not.

**spudchucka** · 11th March 2006, 20:22

Originally Posted by GIXser

why are you even on here" !! shouldnt you be "fighting crime"!!!

I'm annoying you, which is equally as much fun.

**Cookie** · 11th March 2006, 20:25

Good on you GIXser for coming back with an apology.

That takes balls.

**soundbeltfarm** · 11th March 2006, 20:36

Originally Posted by GIXser

SPUD" you are a waste of space!!!

, please end your life for us!!!!

loving your work mate but the above call you made. No need for crap like that man.

**GIXser** · 11th March 2006, 20:37

Originally Posted by soundbeltfarm

loving your work mate but the above call you made. No need for crap like that man.

point taken,, see my previous thread--

**deathstar** · 11th March 2006, 21:38

well i hate to say with a shitty attitude but for 1 the police aren't pig's cause then you wonder why they will write you and ticket and maybe if your getting mugged or stabbed well their pigs they didn't see anthing so i stick with the police on issues and yeah they are only human and i bet they have done things wrong also but they do their job everyday and put up with mouthy people

**Lou Girardin** · 12th March 2006, 06:37

Originally Posted by Krusti

The law says ...if you do this your licence gets taken away...they believe you did it away it goes.

I don't disagree that alot of Police are up themselves pricks but these are the rules we know we are playing with. Game is called life.

You need to look a little deeper than that.
Our legal system was based on being found guilty by a court, that's why even instant fines had the option of a court hearing.
Roadside suspensions completely do away with that. Sure, you have a right of appeal and can catch the bus until they get around to it. In the meantime some cop acts as Judge and jury.
What other rights would you like to give up?
Protection against double jeopardy is next.

**DEATH_INC.** · 12th March 2006, 07:21

Originally Posted by Krusti

We can all rant and rave about cops busting poor cockies for being reckless but if it was one of your guys kids who had been staying with him and he had made the same choice I know most would argue that, "my chid was in his care and he should have been responsible and foreseen that this could possibly happen"

Just because it is your own children does not mean you take less care or are less accountable!

I have made some silly calls myself but I have allways known that it was my head on the block if it went to shit.

As I have stated before, I feel for the guy but blaming the cops for charging him is stupid. It is no different than if I was out shooting with my son and accidently shot him. I know I would be charged and I would have to prove it was unavoidable or not worthy of jail time.

Police arrive at a death scene, file comenced, is there an offence under law, charge him and let jury decide or do nothing and also appear to not be doing your job? We employ Police to identify offences and put offenders before the courts. They are not trained or required to convict or judge.

No, charging him is still wrong, it could be sorted out with an investigation, long before it ever had to go to court. Surely if the courts let him off so quickly the investigating officers new it too.....

**Sniper** · 12th March 2006, 07:25

Well done with the apology mate

**Shaun** · 12th March 2006, 07:51

Originally Posted by SpeedMedic

4 yr old girl on a quad bike with her dad (farmer brown) on a farm. Shes been used to these things her whole short life. Farmers celly rings. he hops off to answer the call. Girl asks if she can carry on rounding up the calves. Dad says yeah but go slow sweetie. Off she goes, a little ways up she makes a turn and the bike became unbalanced and overturned, she died from a head injury.

Accident or manslaughter..you tell me.

My father drowned many moons ago, there was a rescue helicopter in the area, but no one knew about it!

What if they had known it was there? He may still be alive?

I truly feel for this family, and owe them a big thankyou, as they have taken the pain away for a lot of other families.

The Crown has set out to use this case as an exsample to others, really hard on the family but, I bet this case helps to save a lot of other families from such a tradgic loss.

So thanks and RIP to your daughter.

**WINJA** · 12th March 2006, 08:38

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

You need to look a little deeper than that.
Our legal system was based on being found guilty by a court, that's why even instant fines had the option of a court hearing.
Roadside suspensions completely do away with that. Sure, you have a right of appeal and can catch the bus until they get around to it. In the meantime some cop acts as Judge and jury.
What other rights would you like to give up?
Protection against double jeopardy is next.

SOME OF THESE GUYS JUST DONT GET IT LOU, HE DIDNT GET MY POINT AT ALL

**Krusti** · 12th March 2006, 09:46

Originally Posted by WINJA

SOME OF THESE GUYS JUST DONT GET IT LOU, HE DIDNT GET MY POINT AT ALL

Got ya point but not much ya can do about . That's the law we live with.

Having said that alot of Police are pricks I did come across one that dropped my speed by 1 k so I kept my licence. Still cost me $640 and 50 demerits tho!

**Pixie** · 12th March 2006, 10:04

Originally Posted by Shaun

The Crown has set out to use this case as an exsample to others, really hard on the family but, I bet this case helps to save a lot of other families from such a tradgic loss.

The rural communities around the country heard of this accident way before the charges were laid.
The prosecution was not necessary to publicize it.