Fuckin child support

[Grahameeboy]

Quasi - I feel your pain. I had ALL the same questions etc back in 1985-1990. My x was on DPB and I dare say got more than I, then a chunk was surgically removed at source with no credit for regular & extanded access. Nothing's changed. And yes, Labour was it when it started for me too.

Things have changed since 2004 with regard to Custody....

[MSTRS:Me]

Things have changed since 2004 with regard to Custody....

Perhaps they have....but it would seem the maintenance side of things is still heavily weighted against the father. Your choice in this situation always was get raped by the State or fight it & get raped by the lawyers, with no guarantee of avoiding another rogering by the aforementioned State.

[Grahameeboy]

Perhaps they have....but it would seem the maintenance side of things is still heavily weighted against the father. Your choice in this situation always was get raped by the State or fight it & get raped by the lawyers, with no guarantee of avoiding another rogering by the aforementioned State.

I guess with it being less of a fight to get equal shared custody that this reduces the Child Support so at least that evens things up.

I guess also that even in this day, Men are often the greater or only wage earner so this is why things are weighted against Father..........just circumstances.

In my case, my ex earns a lot more than me. I did not leave, I have a disabled Daughter and it wll cost me and my family about $350,000 to keep the house which has ramps etc and is an asset for Natalie's future.....I get equal shared custody and there is no Child Support arrangement and I struggle sometimes but I do have the support of my family and I have my Daughter half the week so it is well worth it......I am not complaining.

Remember a lot of Fathers do not want much custody.

[Rashika]

But if you earn $200k a year........not all of us come close to that so I guess you have greater means than 90% of population.

umm try the amount being 60k a year (nothing like 200k) to be paying $850 month to IRD for one child, and that is AFTER having the amount reduced because you have a partner as well...
I can relate a little Quasi, as a partner (now ex) of someone in the same boat as you... it is damn hard to find that amount a month on 2 incomes, let alone on one. I seriously wonder how he manages it now...poor bloke.
And ditto on the same visits, and on the mother earning a fairly moderate amount as well...seems like none of that shit gets taken into the equation at all.


Yes kids are important BUT you'd think thay could make the system fairer than it is, why should you guys who do pay be penalised for the fktards who dont?

[MSTRS:Me]

In my case, my ex earns a lot more than me. ....I get equal shared custody and there is no Child Support arrangement and I struggle sometimes......

Surely in any case where custody is equally shared and both parents have jobs then they are both assessed on their incomes & the one with the higher amount pays the difference to the one with the lower amount. That is how I understand things work now.
Edit - unless a benefit is involved or there is a claim made, then no payment may be the order of the day. Voluntary assistance with actual expenses would be ideal??

[Quasievil]

But if you earn $200k a year........not all of us come close to that so I guess you have greater means than 90% of population.

I dont earn 200K a year she would be about that, Im less then half that mate.
Im settling down now, I wrote a letter to a labour MP as per every year !
never does anything, mind you I called him Pro-Fem-Nazi supporter this time which makes it better than last year

[Grahameeboy]

umm try the amount being 60k a year (nothing like 200k) to be paying $850 month to IRD for one child, and that is AFTER having the amount reduced because you have a partner as well...
I can relate a little Quasi, as a partner (now ex) of someone in the same boat as you... it is damn hard to find that amount a month on 2 incomes, let alone on one.
And ditto on the same visits, and on the mother earning a fairly moderate amount as well...seems like none of that shit gets taken into the equation at all.


Yes kids are important BUT you'd think thay could make the system fairer than it is, why should you guys who do pay be penalised for the fktards who dont?

I agree with you....it is hard even if you earn good money but it is also easier than the situation you mention.

I agree that the system is not fair although as I said before the new custody laws must alter things a little.

In the UK they have the same problems which is set up to get those guys who do a runner but in fact penalises the guys who don't.......but it has to be said that the Mother's do not help either.....my friend had an arrangment, Mother lost her job, she goes to CPS and he ends up paying heaps more, does not see his kid and you can forget about means testing...a lot of guys go on dole because it is cheaper and some have commited suicide

[Grahameeboy]

I dont earn 200K a year she would be about that, Im less then half that mate.
Im settling down now, I wrote a letter to a labour MP as per every year !
never does anything, mind you I called him Pro-Fem-Nazi supporter this time which makes it better than last year

Oh bugger, I am not looking good when that was not my intention.....so she earns $200k.....wrong.....but things have changed so might be worth going to Family Court and checking out......even if you get greater custody.

[Lou Girardin]

Labour basically

Bullshit. The Nats stuck the knife in when they were in power too. Different motivation, same end result.

As for child support, for every guy getting bled white, there's a woman left near destitute because some tosser's done a runner.

[Grahameeboy]

Surely in any case where custody is equally shared and both parents have jobs then they are both assessed on their incomes & the one with the higher amount pays the difference to the one with the lower amount. That is how I understand things work now.
Edit - unless a benefit is involved or there is a claim made, then no payment may be the order of the day. Voluntary assistance with actual expenses would be ideal??

Probably but all I want is the house mate......my parents will help when needed and my ex still needs to be able to look after Nats, buy a house etc when things are sorted and I don't want her to have less and these things are more important than 'benefit'.....yep I know I am mad but just having Natalie and being able to look after her is more important.

[riffer]

Hey Bret,

you and I discussed this via PMs last year, and while I sympathise with your situation, I am also happy to report that I have more or less resolved the situation with my ex regarding Zach and Jess.

Inland Revenue down here have been leaning on people to arrange their own child support payments, and after some persuading, my ex decided to go along with it and discuss a private arrangement.

We talked about the kids needs, our own situations and came up with an amount both her and I were happy with - $600 per month.

I've recently got a new job working back in advertising again, and have gotten a good pay rise to do it (along with more hours).

If she was to petition IRD for a reassessment (which she is entitled to) I would have been assessed at $930 a month.

So, I'm very happy this has worked out, considering 12 months ago the only way we communicated was through lawyers.

I am also concerned about the inequities of this system. As mentioned previously, IRD would have me pay $930 a month to my ex. For each child I support, they allow me $52 a month to support, compared to the $465 for the ones who don't live with me.

This does not take into account that fact that between them, my ex and her new partner clear over $150,000 a year. Their income is not assessable.

But get this - if my wife gets a job - her income is assessable!

My advice - do whatever it takes to get a private agreement. Even if you have to eat shit to do it. Which is pretty much what IRD wants you to do.

[Grahameeboy]

As for child support, for every guy getting bled white, there's a woman left near destitute because some tosser's done a runner.

True but not quite to the twisted extent you suggest Lou.....

[MSTRS:Me]

Bullshit. The Nats stuck the knife in when they were in power too. Different motivation, same end result.

True. Nats took responsibility from DSW as was & gave to IRD (bigger teeth)

As for child support, for every guy getting bled white, there's a woman left near destitute because some tosser's done a runner.

DPB is not reduced if father is named. It pays well enough that it is a valid carrer choice for shitloads of scabbers

[Grahameeboy]

Hey Bret,

My advice - do whatever it takes to get a private agreement. Even if you have to eat shit to do it. Which is pretty much what IRD wants you to do.

Agree...........................best outcome is No1 priority in my case.

[MSTRS:Me]

Probably but all I want is the house mate......my parents will help when needed and my ex still needs to be able to look after Nats, buy a house etc when things are sorted and I don't want her to have less and these things are more important than 'benefit'.....yep I know I am mad but just having Natalie and being able to look after her is more important.

Not knocking mate. If it works, don't fix it.