Paedophile awarded $25,000

[Streetwise]

oooooooo lets all have a cuddle,

[mstriumph]

.................we just need to find a way to help and put our finger print on people.

as i see it, most of this thread is a debate about how HARD those finger prints should be applied .....?

[mstriumph]

.......... Apparently molestation also includes an unwelcome advance from a man......

there are plenty of peop.s playing games with the english language --- but doesn't mean there aren't real problems out there

now - take the concept of 'child abuse' --- as far as i'm concerned, current usage [inappropriate touching] doesn't go far enough .............. to my mind fat kids, rude kids, spoilt kids and kids that are permitted to reach puberty without being able to make their own beds, wash a dish or cook a meal if needs be .. those are ALSO victims of abuse .......

and i haven't even MENTIONED those poor kids whose parents make 'em wear BEIGE

[Streetwise]

fuck that seems a tad extreme dosnt it.??

[myvice]

Due to a recent ACC ruling we are going to get a lot of false claims of "I was touched as a kid/teen"
And if there is someone in there past that they want to hurt then they will be in the sights...
I know only what I have read here about this case, it concerns me that these people are being released back into society, but I would hate to think how many falsely accused are in prison too.
If he were a kiddie fiddler then he should be released... 10,000+ feet would be good!
But some of the more public cases seem a little vague at best.
When you have one person saying that they did this to them with no evidence...e.g; supporting psychological data, old school records showing a shift in behaviour. And a bunch of people saying that it’s a load of crap, "victim" is a lazy slag who wants an easy life and a manipulating bitch at best.
Yet they where still found guilty?
Then the poor victim try’s it again on another guy… Thrown out befor it got too far but no one has reviewed the previous case it seems.

No faith in the justice system at all, if your in front of a judge I hope you have a good lawyer, caus guilty or not your in the shit if you don’t!

[Jackrat]

You guys are joking right?

I understand the hatred of kiddie fiddlers... and I totally agree, but saying the copper was right to put his name out there is totally wrong.

Don't suppose anyone remembers the Mirror / Sun whatever it was in the UK that started releasing the list of peadophiles addresses in the uk... well these guys started getting lynched... nobody bothered checking what they'd done.

I don't agree with what these peadophiles have done, and they can never give back what they've taken from these kids, but you can gaurantee they're being watched like a hawk after being released from prison, and aren't allowed to go anywhere near anyones kids.

If they've been sent to prison, and done their time, then they're entitled to be released into an environment where they won't be lynched for a crime which they've already paid for.

Edit - but under no circumstances should they have awarded damages... that is nuts.

*dons flameproof jacket*

They havn't payed their dues,their still alive.
A shallow grave is more than they deserve.

[Winston001]

My kneejerk reaction is shock at the compensation, but some strong points have been made. True, it is actually to punish the police rather then reward the criminal.

I doubt this man knows much about it - the claim would have been made by his lawyer for him and we don't know how much, if any money he actually received.

Paedophiles are a peculiar subset of criminals. They are recidivist - they do it again despite being caught. Studies have shown that they cannot learn to stop unlike other "normal" criminals who sometimes choose the straight and narrow. It is a type of illness.

So it should be treated. A quick bit of day surgery, snip snip, have a nice day.

There are pills as an alternative (chemical castration) but that requires the paedophile to cooperate. An unsafe remedy.

I note an earlier post which said such offenders are watched and monitored after release. Yes, that is supposed to happen but it's hit and miss. Once an offender builds up a bit of trust, they are able to shrug off supervision because there is always a new case for Probation to deal with. And the old urges come back...............

[Winston001]

Something else to bear in mind, on the topic of child awareness. Children are taught "stranger danger" and "good and bad touching", at school.

But what if the paedophile is an uncle/family friend/kindly neighbour? Because most of the time those are the groups sex-offenders come from. Most sexual attack victims know their attacker.

[Streetwise]

isnt that the sad truth, I agree that cutting off the bits is a must, we could make then into a traditionl medicine and save a lot of whales.

[mstriumph]

it appears to me that everyone is assuming that all child abusers are male; i understand the stats don't support that.

--------- soooooo - wat 'bits' do you recommend society prune from FEMALE perverts?

[Wolf]

it appears to me that everyone is assuming that all child abusers are male; i understand the stats don't support that.

--------- soooooo - wat 'bits' do you recommend society prune from FEMALE perverts?

Adding to that that castration (chemical or physical) does not remove the urge to dominate and degrade - hell, it doesn't even remove the sex drive. Going to cut off fingers, too, because they can touch or be inserted where they "don't oughtta be"?

Remove the whole of the paedophile from society. Lock the bastard inside and make him or her pay for their own upkeep and the rehabilitation (counselling etc) of the victim. Don't let the bastards out until you can 100% guarantee they'll never reoffend - i.e. You have their ashes in a cardboard box with "Dept. of Corrections Crematorium" stamped on it.

Worried that those who are serving life might be driven to desperation and try to escape - a couple of bullets into the backs of the knees will slow them down but still leave their arms and hands intact for them to work factory machinery...

[Grahameeboy]

as i see it, most of this thread is a debate about how HARD those finger prints should be applied .....?

sorry, guess my post was a bit too deep eh.............arh shit that could be twisted too...bugger.....

[Wolf]

The scumbag ex-friend to which I referred in my earlier posts has been at it again:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,,3635919a6579,00.html


Morrinsville child molester sentenced to six years' jail
12 April 2006

A High Court judge yesterday described Morrinsville man Peter Leslie Maney's sexual offending against young girls as "close to the most serious of its type".

Maney had been found guilty of five charges of sexual assault against three girls.

Crown prosecutor Shannon-Leigh Litt asked Justice Heath in the High Court at Hamilton to impose a sentence of preventive detention on Maney, 42, a machine operator with previous convictions for indecent assault and sexual violation of young girls.

However, while Justice Heath said Maney's behaviour with the children – aged under 12 years – was serious, the absence of various aggravating features meant it did not warrant preventive detention. Instead Justice Heath sentenced Maney to six years in prison with a minimum non-parole period of four years.

Maney had previously served a 2 1/2-year term in prison after being convicted for offending in 1988. Justice Heath said those incidents were worse than the latest cases.

Maney had robbed the girls of their innocence at a time when they ought to be able to enjoy life.

"Preventive detention is designed to protect the community from the risk of on-going offending," Justice Heath said.

"The risk of future serious offending, while possible, is not high.

"While preventive detention was not imposed this time, if you offend again in this way it is very likely another judge considering your case would impose preventive detention for you," Justice Heath said.

Defence lawyer Mike Robb said there was still hope for Maney if he had the opportunity to participate in rehabilitative programmes in prison.

I note that the article says "with previous convictions for indecent assault and sexual violation of young girls" - I was only aware of the one case that he was convicted of and although he was sentenced to two and a half years he was let out early by those scummy parole people (KF-sympathisers the lot of them) so 'twould seem there were other, later, occasions when he was convicted of offenses of which I was not aware.

And still they keep letting him out.

Justice Heath is filth, plain and simple. Given the chance to lock the molesting bastard away preventatively he rules that the bastard has to rape another child or two before that measure will be taken.

How many child rapes will it take to satisfy "Justice" Heath that the bastard is a menace to our society?

At least threee more families totally fucked up and "Justice" Heath wants to see a few more traumatised before he deems it serious enough to warrant preventative detention. Heath, himself, should be locked up under preventative detention to prevent him from sitting at a bench and being a criminally negligent cock-head.

As they say:

"What do they call a lawyer with an IQ of 50?"

"Your Honour."

[Patrick]

True, it is actually to punish the police rather then reward the criminal.

I doubt this man knows much about it - the claim would have been made by his lawyer for him and we don't know how much, if any money he actually received......

Thats probably the best part... the lawyer probably got the lot for his "Legal Fees..."

[Skyryder]

At least threee more families totally fucked up and "Justice" Heath wants to see a few more traumatised before he deems it serious enough to warrant preventative detention. Heath, himself, should be locked up under preventative detention to prevent him from sitting at a bench and being a criminally negligent cock-head.

As they say:

"What do they call a lawyer with an IQ of 50?"

"Your Honour."

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that not only should juries determine guilt or innocence but also hand down sentnces. Judges should only rule on points of law and see that the defendent gets a fair trial.

Skyryder