Paedophile awarded $25,000

**Finn** · 22nd March 2006, 10:54

Human rights, Privacy act, bla, bla, bla.

We're not talking speeding tickets here folks. We're talking about a mentally derranged kiddy fuckers. Most serious criminals re-offend once we've pampered them in jail for a couple of years.

This do-gooder, criminals have rights mentality sucks in NZ. Here's a scenario that has actually happended. A new guy moves in next door. He seems really nice and your kids like him. You get to know him as he seems fine. One day, you let your kid go next door. He has his wicked way with him. You later find out that a government department put him there knowing he was a kiddy fucker.

But of course, you're happy with this as you voted for Labour and they know whats best for you and your children. You give your little boy a shower and tell him best to keep away from that neighbour. That night you bake a cake for your neighbour because you feel sorry for him. After all, it's not his fault.

Stop pampering criminals!

**Finn** · 22nd March 2006, 10:56

Originally Posted by Streetwise

Yea its all good to say o no he should have rights, But wait till you walk past the man on the street, You may be very supprised by your feelings and actions, I was.

You've met Cowpoos?

**Patrick** · 22nd March 2006, 10:59

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Mate - you've jumped on it all a bit hard. I'm no lawyer, but I've lived long enough to see and hear about innocent men deprived of too many rights in the name of swift justice.

We sate the thirst for societal revenge with men's freedom - and that's stupid. I don't care if I'm unpopular for saying it... I'd rather know the person being locked up actually IS the bad guy.

But then - I thought that was obvious. No?

As for the responses...
1) ok then - gimme the dumb answer. Suggestions are very welcome. Are you saying paeds should be locked up for life, or be put to death... ? What about those wrongly convicted - or is killing them an acceptable price?

2) No. What if they are wrongly convicted - or would that be an acceptable price?

3) Not me, but I'm not saying he's inncent either.

Nothing hard here... good fishing...but this one isn't innocent, is a recidivist PDF. No doubts about it. He IS the bad guy.

1. What was the Q again? If he was locked up for life, there are at least 3 other victims (going by other posts here) who would not have been victims...ever wonder how many more victims of his are out there and are still too young/scared to come forward? How many more will there be in the future? What would be acceptable to the victims? Don't they get a life sentence from his fiddling?

2. Fair enough, but not in this case...

3. Who knows... multiple court cases have accepted his guilt...maybe he actually is?

**Grahameeboy** · 22nd March 2006, 11:04

Originally Posted by Streetwise

Yea its all good to say o no he should have rights, But wait till you walk past the man on the street, You may be very supprised by your feelings and actions, I was.

Fair enough......that is your choice.............

**Grahameeboy** · 22nd March 2006, 11:07

Originally Posted by Finn

Human rights, Privacy act, bla, bla, bla.

We're not talking speeding tickets here folks. We're talking about a mentally derranged kiddy fuckers. Most serious criminals re-offend once we've pampered them in jail for a couple of years.

This do-gooder, criminals have rights mentality sucks in NZ. Here's a scenario that has actually happended. A new guy moves in next door. He seems really nice and your kids like him. You get to know him as he seems fine. One day, you let your kid go next door. He has his wicked way with him. You later find out that a government department put him there knowing he was a kiddy fucker.

But of course, you're happy with this as you voted for Labour and they know whats best for you and your children. You give your little boy a shower and tell him best to keep away from that neighbour. That night you bake a cake for your neighbour because you feel sorry for him. After all, it's not his fault.

Stop pampering criminals!

Oh Finny..........................I think I need to buy you a drink on Saturday.......my treat.....whoops......I said "Treats".......eck.........I need to hide.....

**Patrick** · 22nd March 2006, 11:11

Originally Posted by BuFfY

Why in this case do two wrongs make it right?
Personally I do find this issue disgusting and he shouldn't have been given any money because of his background... but noone has the right to fully expose other peoples past. He may have learnt from his mistake! Believe it or not there are many people who can change their lives around and even try to help other people with their problems....

Whats wrong with it? Wouldn't you demand to know why you weren't warned about him if he moved in next door to you and prowled on your kids?

You say he may have learnt from his mistake etc etc... BIG Tui moment here... he is a recidivist PDF. Caught "only" 4 times so far...

Quite right about the male teachers though. Damn shame. Have a new one at my daughters school and good on him. All power to the male teachers coz we sure as hell need em too!

**hunt** · 22nd March 2006, 11:13

Originally Posted by Streetwise

Yea its all good to say o no he should have rights, But wait till you walk past the man on the street, You may be very supprised by your feelings and actions, I was.

i'm trying to think of a reply,but can't, longer prison sentences,keep them off the streets but now i'm supporting grahmeeboy and blaming the government

**ManDownUnder** · 22nd March 2006, 11:21

Originally Posted by Patrick

Nothing hard here... good fishing...but this one isn't innocent, is a recidivist PDF. No doubts about it. He IS the bad guy.

1. What was the Q again? If he was locked up for life, there are at least 3 other victims (going by other posts here) who would not have been victims...ever wonder how many more victims of his are out there and are still too young/scared to come forward? How many more will there be in the future? What would be acceptable to the victims? Don't they get a life sentence from his fiddling?

2. Fair enough, but not in this case...

3. Who knows... multiple court cases have accepted his guilt...maybe he actually is?

Actualy - re-reading my post - I've dragged it off topic...

Yeah - I understand he's guilty, which poses the question - where should he live (that Q1), and if in public, should his rights be diminished, and/or did the cop do the right thing.

For the record - I think the cop DID do the right thing, despite the rules he broke. The rules need discussing, not the cop.

I paeds should be restricted to environments where their unsurpervised access to children is impossible, ideally in low population density areas further reducing their ability to do damage due to reduced opportunity.

All that being said - wouldn't it be nice to have them paying taxes (i.e. working) rather than suckin' up taxes in prison? Is there room for paeds to do eomthing liek DOC work on an island, or something like that?

Just a conversation starter for 10...

also - as a last thought - I'm actually all for offering castration to those willing to undergo it. I expect that would go a long way to quelling sexual urges, and probably put the minds of society somewhat at rest...

**BuFfY** · 22nd March 2006, 11:22

Instead of bitchin and moaning about how horrible this is... why doesn't someone do something about it... and no not in a violent way.... Educate the kids! I mean come on! Isn't that the obvious answer to this problem?
When I went on my first placement at the start of last year I was in a year two class (6 year olds). The school had taken the initive and got a police women in to talk to the children about 'good touch' and 'bad touch'. They put it in a way that the children could understand.. they explained to the children that there are bad people out there and if they try to do anything they think is wrong that they say 'stop... i don't like that'. That is what we need to do, not all sit here and bad mouth these people... if we educate our children then they can't do anything to them and then... the problem is gone!

**Grahameeboy** · 22nd March 2006, 11:28

Originally Posted by BuFfY

Instead of bitchin and moaning about how horrible this is... why doesn't someone do something about it... and no not in a violent way.... Educate the kids! I mean come on! Isn't that the obvious answer to this problem?
When I went on my first placement at the start of last year I was in a year two class (6 year olds). The school had taken the initive and got a police women in to talk to the children about 'good touch' and 'bad touch'. They put it in a way that the children could understand.. they explained to the children that there are bad people out there and if they try to do anything they think is wrong that they say 'stop... i don't like that'. That is what we need to do, not all sit here and bad mouth these people... if we educate our children then they can't do anything to them and then... the problem is gone!

I know.....what ever happened to "Now don't talk to strangers" that we used to be taught.....not a lot has changed since expect that I think that kids are often allowed to go off on their own too much and too young.............the power is in our hands.

**hunt** · 22nd March 2006, 11:31

Originally Posted by BuFfY

Instead of bitchin and moaning about how horrible this is... why doesn't someone do something about it... and no not in a violent way.... Educate the kids! I mean come on! Isn't that the obvious answer to this problem?
When I went on my first placement at the start of last year I was in a year two class (6 year olds). The school had taken the initive and got a police women in to talk to the children about 'good touch' and 'bad touch'. They put it in a way that the children could understand.. they explained to the children that there are bad people out there and if they try to do anything they think is wrong that they say 'stop... i don't like that'. That is what we need to do, not all sit here and bad mouth these people... if we educate our children then they can't do anything to them and then... the problem is gone!

Maybe should you go talk to some pdf as well, because if you think they not up to conning little kids, youre being a bit nieve(sorry but i dont know how to spell it) keep on educating children, but it isnt enough to prevent nasty shit happening

**Grahameeboy** · 22nd March 2006, 11:38

Originally Posted by hunt

Maybe should you go talk to some pdf as well, because if you think they not up to conning little kids, youre being a bit nieve(sorry but i dont know how to spell it) keep on educating children, but it isnt enough to prevent nasty shit happening

So then we tell them if they do not know the person they run.....like I was taught (okay I am sadly drawn to CowPoos).......but at the end of the day we cannot stop all bad things only limit it and parent's not allowing young kids to roam around would also help.

**ManDownUnder** · 22nd March 2006, 11:41

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

So then we tell them if they do not know the person they run.....like I was taught (okay I am sadly drawn to CowPoos).......but at the end of the day we cannot stop all bad things only limit it and parent's not allowing young kids to roam around would also help.

Yes... coping strategies need to be taught.

Don't talk to strangers

If ANYONE does something you don't like, tell Mum or Dad. You won't get in trouble for it.

.etc.

Open dialog with the kids is essential - and pays off big time

**hunt** · 22nd March 2006, 11:48

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

So then we tell them if they do not know the person they run.....like I was taught (okay I am sadly drawn to CowPoos).......but at the end of the day we cannot stop all bad things only limit it and parent's not allowing young kids to roam around would also help.

I agree, so would not leaving your kids with any guy who wants to look after them whether they be a relative or not,now i'm not talking dad here, sounds harsh but unfortunately true,
dont want to get into the rapp your kids in cotton wool thing, but someone needs to be looking out for them,