Upham medal sale

[slimjim]

,Ladies and i say Yes sell your dad's Medal's Screw what the goverment want you to do, far better for you all to benefit from their sale, than the top coat's in welly or the army blobs,
We all know and understand what your dad did, as he just did what any other kiwi bloke did, we all know that the medal's shall never leave New Zealand ,

[MSTRS:Me]

Absolutely. It is their right to do whatever they like with the medals. Afterall, the medals are only a physical reminder of Charles's bravery and it's not as tho that can ever be taken away. 3 million is a lot of money (even if you say it fast). What if the medals were destroyed in a fire. The fact that they existed would still be there, but no value would be attached to the melted blob of metal anymore.

[sAsLEX]

we all know that the medal's shall never leave New Zealand ,

Thats all the G is doing stopping a piece of our heritage leaving our shores, I bet I could sell the treaty for a buck 50 to some overseas collector but do you see that being let off shore?

[GR81]

Thats all the G is doing stopping a piece of our heritage leaving our shores, I bet I could sell the treaty for a buck 50 to some overseas collector but do you see that being let off shore?

please... someone take it offshore and stop the madness!

[Blairos]

I bet I could sell the treaty for a buck 50 to some overseas collector but do you see that being let off shore?

Put it on Trademe and see what happens!

I have mixed views about the medals leaving these shores (possibly), but it is a free market out there I guess...

[Scouse]

Put it on Trademe and see what happens!

I have mixed views about the medals leaving these shores (possibly), but it is a free market out there I guess...

If Aunty Helen dosen't want them to leave our shores she should stump up with the 3 mil

[MidnightMike]

please... someone take it offshore and stop the madness!

Oh please do.

And I think they should be able to sell the medals if they want, but not to a foreigner.
Just keep in it NZ, thats what i think.

[Motu]

If Charles Upham could put a word in,I know what he'd have to say about it.He even wrote down what he thought about the medals - why don't they honour his memory?

[Blairos]

If Charles Upham could put a word in,I know what he'd have to say about it.He even wrote down what he thought about the medals - why don't they honour his memory?

A bloody good point - seems everything is "for sale" these days...

[slimjim]

Put it on Trademe and see what happens!

I have mixed views about the medals leaving these shores (possibly), but it is a free market out there I guess...

no mate they are not allowed to leave our shores

[Blairos]

no mate they are not allowed to leave our shores

Maybe one of the TradeMe Morgan family members could step in, buy them & keep them in NZ (Te Papa perhaps?) - problem solved...

[Hitcher]

I can't see why the Upham family can't be allowed to sell these medals to whomever they want. I don't think that the New Zealand public, through its elected Government, has any business to interfere. Imposing conditions like insisting they remain in New Zealand and on public display is silly. A bit like microchipping dogs or preventing businesses opening on public holidays.

[onearmedbandit]

All Charles Uphams assests at his time of death were left to his wife, to be passed on to his daughters on her death. He stated that all could be sold. It's their decision, if the NZ Govt wants to pay to keep them in NZ (and remember they've paid similar amounts for artwork) then they can stump up with a similar offer, otherwise they can keep out.

[Paul in NZ]

I'm not even sure these medals were awarded by the NZ govt were they? The VC is a british medal?

In that case, it's got bugger all to do with them. Jeeze, make a replica in plastic and bung it in a show case. It's the act that earned the medals thats really important, not a scrap of old cannon.

[Dai]

As an ex soldier in both the New Zealand and British armies I feel that the family of Captain Upham has the right to dispose of those medals as they see fit.

They were awarded to Charles Upham, not to the New Zealand government or the people of New Zealand. The man himself performed deeds of extra orinary courage and valour and these medals were a means of acknowledging this fact. The government once again is trying to impose their views upon those they are ELECTED to serve, not RULE.

It would be a great shame if the medals did go overseas but it is the right of the mans family to dispose of them as they see fit.

They werent even issued by the New Zealand government but by the British government. They came from the bronze of a cannon siezed in the Crimewan War of 1852 and transported to the UK.

My father was a soldier as were my grandfathers, if the government thinks they can dictate to me what I should do with their medals then they can take a long walk of a short pier. Dad served in Malaya, Borneo and Vietnam. Both my grandfathers were in the 1st World War in France and Gallipoli. All three of these men earned their medals not the damn government.

To the Upham family I would say that you do as you see fit. Personally if it came to it I would throw these medals into a furnace and melt them down rather than submit to the bullying of a government.

This government is claiming the heroism of Mr Upham as a national treasure whilst at the same time denying that they contaminated their own men with Agent Orange in Vietnam. Hypocracy seems to be the order of the day here.

End of rant.