Do you think the Haka has been overdone?

**MidnightMike** · 24th March 2006, 21:28

Originally Posted by Fairlie

Have you not heard the English translation of the Haka? Utter nonsense! Why the hell would you want that as an anthem?

Even in Maori its utter nonsence

Got a link to that translated one?

MD · 24th March 2006, 21:43

Bored shitless every time I have to endure the haka. It's total arrogance by the hakaérs to assume that every other person and nation on this planet wants to sit through their local dance/insult each time their team plays NZ in rugby or whatever.

**Flatcap** · 24th March 2006, 21:47

Originally Posted by MidnightMike

Even in Maori its utter nonsence

Got a link to that translated one?

http://www.nzallblacks.net/haka.asp

Again I say Utter Nonsense

**jimbo600** · 24th March 2006, 22:50

It's been done to death. Shit it's all when and good doing that shit if you're on your game and can dominate, but to do yet another haka and do crap, well it just makes a mockery of it all. Had enough of powhiries every time a public servant takes a shit too. The Maori culture is a great part of NZ but it's become diluted through over exposure. Save the haka for AB tests only. Skinny white swimmers in speedos just makes the haka look like synchronised spasms.

**Winston001** · 24th March 2006, 23:24

Originally Posted by NordieBoy

The haka (any haka) is a celebration, a challenge, an outpouring of emotion.

If done properly (eg any fronted by Tana) they are awesome to behold, if done poorly the only devaluing is on the performers.

I think it should replace the National Anthem

"And now for the National Anthem of New Zealand"......"KA MATE! KA MATE!".

Catchier, faster and more people know it than the current Anthem.

I agree. NZ is a little unusual in that we don't have a national song. Most countries do. Battle Hymn of the Republic, Waltzing Matilda, Swing Low Sweet Chariot, Walk Alone etc etc.

But what we do have is quite unusual - the haka. Other countries have native dance traditions and small Pacific Island nations have their own hakas, but we are the only Western country of significance which has this stirring challenge as a national icon. Everyone (under the age of 40) can at least attempt Kamate.

If we don't have a song, we do have the haka. It is virtually unique. Can you think of any other nation which displays in the crowd and on the field such a strong chant? So strong that the English and Aussies spend time objecting to it.

I can remember performing Kamate 20 years ago at parties in Denver and London with other Kiwis. The locals were enthralled. We were just pi**ed.

**Sutage** · 24th March 2006, 23:49

why didnt the english just shoot them when they did the haka?

**Crazy Steve** · 25th March 2006, 00:03

Now and then yes......

But limited it for special times...

Crazy Steve

**grego** · 25th March 2006, 00:31

I don't want to be rough on you guys but anybody who truly thinks that NZ is (Quote) A Western Country of Significance, must be blinded by illusions of grandeur.

New Zealand to me," a bloody Foreigner", is a beautyfull country at the the bottom of the planet, a great place to live BUT of absolutely no significance whatsoever and probably it is not even a "Western country" whatever that supposed to mean.................................

**duckaddict** · 25th March 2006, 04:10

Go the kiwis - not the haka

whatever...

**sAsLEX** · 25th March 2006, 12:36

Originally Posted by grego

I think the Haka was allright when battles were fought with sticks and axes etc etc.
But now, when an old fragile git like me could erradicate such "threatening menace" like a group that performs a challenge simply by hacking into them with a machine gun and creating a bloddy mess in seconds, it probably is "OUTDATED"
Personally I think its a big booooore........

well they fucked over the brittish in the land wars with some unique and innovative trench warfare and battle pa's and the english muskets and artillery were pretty useless

**Mental Trousers** · 25th March 2006, 13:33

Originally Posted by Scoots Magoo

That's why I call white people Niggers and black people niggers. Race equality, ya'see.

omg, different capitalisation for each racial group. You racist fuck !!!!

**Winston001** · 25th March 2006, 15:09

My favourit non-haka discourtesy of our Australian cousins. Enjoy.

http://www.visit4info.com/details.cfm?adid=12874

**willy_01** · 25th March 2006, 15:25

isnt the haka a war song? ie we are going to spear you after we finish this song. not really to cricket when someone is getting a metal ect. im white i dont understand it i think its stupid. I think its a thing for the darkies cracks me up to see white guys doin it, not knowing what the hell they are saying.

**Wenier** · 25th March 2006, 15:36

Now dont get me wrong with the start of the thread. I have no problem of the Haka being used at the start of an All Blacks rugby game, that seems to have significance of calling out the opposition for battle being rugby instead of war.

But when you do it for every medal not jus Gold medals it gets over used. And as i said very rude to do it overtop of another countries celebration of their victory. (Over the Bagpipes for the Scots)