Nicholas rape trial outcome discussion

**terbang** · 7th April 2006, 10:26

Originally Posted by scumdog

I hope this is a wind-up 'cos I sure as hell don't want to be labled with the lowest common denominator - would YOU????

I do confess that I jay-walk now and them and (cough) go a LITTLE faster than I should but that's it, that's the limit of "what I can get away with".

If it's NOT wind-up then its a load of cods-wollop and maybe you should have another think on things.

I havn't labelled you or any other coppers (incl Indoo who got so offended that he red repped me for it) at all.
It doesn't take rocket science to figure that Rickard and pals abused their positions in society for thier own sexual fantasy/perversion (baton perversion) a fact that most here (Nzers) seem to agree upon. We are disgusted with these pricks that held positions of trust and responsibility and let us down. As a result of a fairly public court case where they were accused of rape and all the gritty details were made public, Rickard (a fairly senior policeman) and co remained publicly defiant throughout the case and yet Nicholas, who had little to gain from her complaint, is made to look like a bad woman. You go figure the message to the community..
My suggestion to you Rozzers who are feeling indignant about some of the comments here is, instead of attacking us for our views, to send the message up to your superiors from within that you are not happy with the image that your ilk is getting over the fact that someone very close to the top of your organization has been behaving in a fashion unbecoming of your positions.
Remove the blinkers boys, your dirty washing is hanging on the line for all to see. Please do something about it..!

**The_Dover** · 7th April 2006, 10:28

Originally Posted by CaN

Should we disband the AB's? are they all bad people?

I think we should disband the AB's. They are a bunch of bottlers and simply not up to the job. They'll never win a world cup and it is a disgrace that they steal other countries players.

As for the whole cop debate, suppressing evidence is simply wrong. How can a fair decision be made when all the facts are not known?

The NZ police seem to be a bunch of corrupt motherfuckers, that is for sure. Maybe not all of them but this country still has a fuckload of deliverance mentality about it.

**kickingzebra** · 7th April 2006, 10:47

Disband the ABs. My vote is an Aye. Then pump Motorcycle racing as a sporting alternative. To the general police, who aren't power tripping. You're great, I like you a lot. The ones that would be far below reproach, the power trippers, sexual predators etc. One day it'll bite you in the arse. Grow up and think about it.

**scumdog** · 7th April 2006, 11:24

Originally Posted by terbang

I havn't labelled you or any other coppers (incl Indoo who got so offended that he red repped me for it) at all.
Remove the blinkers boys, your dirty washing is hanging on the line for all to see so do something about it..!

I never said you HAD labelled me, I just said I hope you hadn't put me in with 'the lowest common denominator' and it's nice to know you hadn't

BTW, It ain't MY dirty linen, no sirreee!

**terbang** · 7th April 2006, 11:29

Rugby, Rugby, and more fucking dished up Rugby is all we hear about. Just another form of tribal gang warfare that seems to have easily caught on here as our National pride.. Bring on more Motorsport..

**SixPackBack** · 7th April 2006, 12:08

Originally Posted by The_Dover

The NZ police seem to be a bunch of corrupt motherfuckers, that is for sure. Maybe not all of them but this country still has a fuckload of deliverance mentality about it.

True that....bent as hell

**Grahameeboy** · 7th April 2006, 12:12

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

True that....bent as hell

Oh SixPack......have a beer........................

**Grahameeboy** · 7th April 2006, 12:14

Originally Posted by The_Dover

The NZ police seem to be a bunch of corrupt motherfuckers, that is for sure. Maybe not all of them but this country still has a fuckload of deliverance mentality about it.

Oh please 'Get Dover' this corruption chip........

**terbang** · 7th April 2006, 12:23

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Oh please 'Get Dover' this corruption chip........

Well as we all agree here not all cops are corrupt but as recent events have indicated that some are or have been and that it also didn't seem to falter their career aspirations and progression (rickard did just a little better than a constable). It makes peoples suspicions here perfectly understandable..

**Grahameeboy** · 7th April 2006, 12:26

Originally Posted by terbang

Well as we all agree here not all cops are corrupt but as recent events have indicated that some are or have been and that it also didn't seem falter their career aspirations and progression (rickard did just a little better than a constable). It makes peoples suspicions here perfectly understandable..

Walk slowly I say....................

**scumdog** · 7th April 2006, 13:01

Originally Posted by village idiot

goblin
why can't you replie on the thread rather than being a chicken and saying it with comments out of public veiw.
are you to chicken that your opinion is not inline with the group and scared you will be scorned for it with red reps like you gave me?

This belongs in the 'bitchin about bitchin threads' thread.

**Paul in NZ** · 7th April 2006, 13:02

Ok.. Trying to lift the game a little and ignore the...

Rosemary McCloud had this to say...

Swapsies. The banality, puerility and deadness of that flat little word says more than you'd ever want to know about the Louise Nicholas case.

It's a word from childhood, surely, for swapping scented erasers shaped like rabbits, or My Little Ponies. It goes with beaded hair ties, pink skivvies and posters of Justin Timberlake. It just doesn't belong with graphic pornography.

It says much about Nicholas, still, that she would use it in court to describe the ugly choreography of sex she engaged in with three police officers 20 years ago when she was still a pretty, fresh-faced 18-year-old. It suggests that a child still lingers inside a lined and sad-looking woman, a child that wanted to please. There is a story there that we will never know.

That much-published photo of Nicholas is a puzzle. How could she look so young, then, and how can she now look so old? It's a photo young girls should be made to look at, and think about. While the men involved grew corpulent in two decades, she seems to have shrunk and withered. She has the slimness of youth without its hope. It's as if her past has gobbled her up.

The pornography trade has it that young girls are willing and waiting to be so degraded, and enjoy it. There was even evidence given that Nicholas did, from the men who had sex with her. Apparently they could tell, but I doubt whether they cared.

I also doubt very much that she liked what was happening. There was nothing in it for her, not money, not even friendship. She was just a prop on a stage, cast in a piece of physical theatre, and props get dumped when the show's over.

This is not the sort of sex young girls imagine, and these men, though cleared of the crimes they were charged with, were not the lovers a happy 18-year-old would hope for. Sex like this – swapsies – does not feature in books which deal in love and romance, or in literature. It belongs in pornography, where it makes sense.

If this was sexual fantasy made real, what a toll it has taken. It shamed everyone who took part in it. You'd wonder how anyone who was in a real relationship could compartmentalise it away, and go home afterward to a roast dinner. Those weeping men, after the verdict, and that sad, withered woman – this is what vice is all about. It promises much, but delivers emptiness.

Vice – let's be clear about this old-fashioned word – isn't youthful, high-spirited experimentation. It takes advantage of the sad and vulnerable, is calculated and knowing. I don't know why we allow it to be glamorised. Vice is just depressing.

The Nicholas rape trial was about many things, personal and public, but at the bottom of it was morality, another old-fashioned word. The law is not much use about morality; it deals only with the law, which is not always the same thing. I could always see the men Nicholas accused being acquitted because of this.

It is, of course, legal to have sex in whatever combinations you choose, with girls over 16 who agree to participate or whose demeanour suggests compliance. If women don't fight, or try to escape, or complain afterward, if they go through the same sexual routine with you more than once, if they are inconsistent in what they say, they haven't a hope of convincing a jury.

The real question about this case was always simply: was it right? You won't find the answer to that in law, but in conscience.

Morality is about dealing fairly with other people, and maintaining your own dignity because of it. It's about respect. I imagine that there are people, probably not many of them, who lead sexually promiscuous lives, who are unfaithful to their partners, but who still manage to achieve this. There may be people who perform the acts Nicholas talked about without afterward feeling revulsion.

But my guess is they would be adult in their outlook, honest in their dealings, clear about what was happening and what was intended, and careful not to harm the vulnerable. They would also use the language of adults, not that of a hurt child playing a squalid game.

**u4ea** · 7th April 2006, 13:06

Originally Posted by village idiot

funny,she was probally lieing to get attention and a pay out out of court coz she's a broke hore.
didn't she get bummed out

you dont need a trial to get a payout.as in my sitation,i had post traumatic stress disorder and memories are pretty scattered.,which the detective told me it wont be enuff in court.i was devistated.survivors show lots of tendancies ie;suicide,alcahol abuse,drug abuse,prostitution,being gay,anxiety,bi polar.just because there is no prosecution does not mean the bastards are not guilty.how do we prosecute if the perpertrator is deceased???????all i will add is we are ultimatly answerable to ourselves at the end of the day and i go to sleep with a clear concience.

**Goblin** · 7th April 2006, 13:29

Originally Posted by village idiot

goblin
why can't you replie on the thread rather than being a chicken and saying it with comments out of public veiw.
are you to chicken that your opinion is not inline with the group and scared you will be scorned for it with red reps like you gave me?

I have replied in this thread and it seems most others agree with my opinion. Red reps dont bother me in the slightest but dickheads like yourself just make me want to puke! You are indeed a village idiot and you dont even have the balls to put up any information in your profile. You're probably a pizza faced little scumbag wagging school....you obviously missed the english lessons. Now fuck off back to your bitching thread!