Nicholas rape trial outcome discussion

[terbang]

Those crying coruption etc are overlooking the fact that the organisation is investing a hell of a lot of $$$ and resources into weeding these people out. There will always be some shit that gets through but 99% of cops are just hard working honest people trying to do the best that they can.

Yes I totally agree and good on them for finally investigating the case but why 20 years later..?
We are also "Our Brothers Keepers" to a certain extent as I should be watchful and harsh on fellow pilots who, flew in a manner putting passengers at risk thus degrading our industry I expect police to watch and, if required, hold their colleagues accountable for questionable practise. This requires a very high order of professionalism in persons that people place trust upon.
The question I ask is how come, after Nicholas reported the abuse/rape 20 years ago (and was ignored), that Rickard was allowed to continue in his police role, rise to a very high rank when by all accounts it was widely known by many other police officers that he and his pals had behaved in such a questionable fashion. You couldn't honestly say that there wasn't any inkling of suspicion among other police officers that these guys may have stepped over the line. Silence is often a clear sign of acceptance or agreeance..

[The_Dover]

So why label us a bunch of corrupt motherfuckers?

Apologies, I meant as an institution and a group. There have been a number of cases/incidents since I have been in this lovely colony that have made me really think that there is something very wrong with the system, don't really recall the others though I am trying.

Anyway, most of the fuckin cops I have spoken to were bloody poms, no wonder they were decent and honest.

And I'll retract my statement, should have said corrupt adolescentfuckers.

[spudchucka]

The question I ask is how come, after Nicholas reported the abuse/rape 20 years ago (and ignored), that Rickard was allowed to continue in his police role, rise to a very high rank when by all accounts it was widely known by many other police officers that he and his pals had behaved in such a questionable fashion. You couldn't honestly say that there wasn't any inkling of suspicion among other police officers that these guys may have stepped over the line. Silence is often a clear sign of acceptance or agreeance..

We can only speculate but generally an employer couldn't hold a person back from promotion because of unproven allegations. The employer would no doubt end up before the employment court getting sued for $$$$$$$$.

[terbang]

Christ what a load of bollocks.

As one of these 'current coppers' I was disgusted by the trial, but I'm even more disgusted by your comments.

Oh and could you please explain how my comments could be more disgusting than 3 men gang-banging a teenage girl with the aid of a police baton..?
BTW thanks for the bling and I also believe that one good turn deserves another..

[Goblin]

We can only speculate but generally an employer couldn't hold a person back from promotion because of unproven allegations.

But the allegations were never proven because they were 'covered up'....'swept under the rug'. She was ignored.
It has only been LN's sheer determination and guts that it has finally been investigated all these years later. And what a tragic outcome! I does look bad for the police in that they are still covering each other and bullying and lying to escape punishment for their wrongs.

Now I dont believe that ALL cops are bad but same as any group or organisation, they will have a few who let the team down.

[mdb]

How can a set of rules (laws) delivery justice? Surely justice involves far more than whether or not a rule was broken. Doesn't situation and motivation pay a large part? Surely Bill Gates stealing a loaf of bread is completely different to someone displaced by war with no house and a family to feed doing the same thing. The law (which is an ass) says both are guilty of a crime punishable by the same sentence.

[The_Dover]

It's not as if Bill Gates isn't a fucking thief anyway! Lock the geek up!

And redistribute his wealth to the needy.

I need new fairings, boots and gloves.

[Paul in NZ]

Look this is crazy!

You are expanding the scope of this thread and turning it into another stupid 'I hate the cops' rant and rave!

Of course there are dodgy police in NZ, but bugger all. In fact I would go so far as to say less than nearly any other country I have ever been too including the UK! However, most people forget that good and evil are NOT absolutes, it's a sliding scale. Does fudging your income tax make you evil? What about taking home a pencil from work? No it does not!

Go back and read my repost of the Rosemary McCloud article, this case is about morality, not about the law. Based on law, this poor woman was always going to lose in court but thats not the point is it? These men behaved poorly but from a legal point of view, possibly legally. "The real question about this case was always was it right? You won't find the answer to that in law, but in conscience."

If the system here was dodgy, this trial would not have happened! It did, the dirty laundry was hung out and those that need to know, now do so. Peoples reputations are in tatters and I think the system did work eventually and I thank my lucky stars that I live in a country that lets a trial like this happen at all! Sure I would have wished for a slightly different result BUT the system did function!

I suggest that we all take the lesson in morality to heart! "Morality is about dealing fairly with other people, and maintaining your own dignity because of it. It's about respect."

Trash talking is not about respect!

Paul N

[The_Dover]

If the system worked and was not dodgy I suspect there would have been a fairer trial a few years back.

Read what I said, I have no beef with the cops they have always been good to me (except some cunt in Scotland when I was 17), but the police FORCE in this case was in the wrong.

[Paul in NZ]

If the system worked and was not dodgy I suspect there would have been a fairer trial a few years back.

Read what I said, I have no beef with the cops they have always been good to me (except some cunt in Scotland when I was 17), but the police FORCE in this case was in the wrong.

No it wasn't.

It was some bad people inside the force. Any organisation is vunerable to this! Our government, the UK's etc etc, any organisation that has rules and in particular some warrent of athourity over other people.

The force can only act on proper information. In this case, based on the evidence it may have been assumed that some people inside the force behaved improperly or badly, but not illegally.

The quest you are asking is, did some other people inside the NZ Police force deliberately either tamper with evidence or cover up evidence that they knew would resul in the conviction of these people. I'm not sure that that is the case!

What I do believe is that for a brief period, the organisation was allowed to develop an attitude that was unhealthy. ie, In my employment contract I'm not allowed to bring disgrace to my company (it's a multi national japanese company) by my private actions. ie, I'd get my arse canned for something like that! Thats not necessarily corruption! Did the British Army act in a corrupt fashion in Northan Ireland? technically probably, moraly yes..

Cheers

[Lou Girardin]

We can only speculate but generally an employer couldn't hold a person back from promotion because of unproven allegations. The employer would no doubt end up before the employment court getting sued for $$$$$$$$.

Come on now Spud, organisations like the Police live by the 'face fits' principle.
Rickards had some powerful patronage down the years.

[The_Dover]

Did the British Army act in a corrupt fashion in Northan Ireland? technically probably, moraly yes..

Cheers

A little off topic and an entirely different scenario.

I think there was a fair amount of corruption in this case and it is not the only one. The shit is probably floating to the top and I would imagine that the force is probably more honest now than 20 years ago.

Luckily one turd has just been flushed tho.

[Indoo]

Disgusted by the trial? Or disgusted by the cops actions?

I am amused that, apparently, it's Ok for the cops to target crims/paedophiles, et al because "once a crim always a crim".
But it doesn't seem to apply to rapist cops.

Disgusted by their actions, legally guilty or not.

[Paul in NZ]

A little off topic and an entirely different scenario.

I think there was a fair amount of corruption in this case and it is not the only one. The shit is probably floating to the top and I would imagine that the force is probably more honest now than 20 years ago.

Luckily one turd has just been flushed tho.

Now that we can agree on!

[terbang]

What I do believe is that for a brief period, the organisation was allowed to develop an attitude that was unhealthy.
Cheers

Yup and as a result of that period (and I would like to believe it was brief) Louise Nicholas initial complaint about certain members of an organisation (the police) conveniently slipped through the cracks for the next 20 years.
Ok the law was eventually carried out to the letter but the trail was cold and the boys walked and she has bared her life to the whole of NZ for nothing but the sting of realisation that the law has little relevance to the issue of morals and the consequence of such actions. Well fuck I reckon it should..! This woman and her family more than likely had a tough life as a result of what happened back then while these guys became sucessful and will probably be paid off well to just slink away into the shadows where they belong in disassociation with the police and keep their traps shut.! I have lived in countries where you bribed police on a daily basis to survive so yes I will give our coppers some credit here and hope we don't go that way but I am apalled at the inhuman nature that the law and its staunch proponents have dismissed Louise Nicholas's plight as just another unfortunate but inevitable fact of law...