Nicholas rape trial outcome discussion

[ChookThief]

I don't know if we need worry about all cops being rapists. It's greater worry how they close ranks when one is caught out. Hopefully this is changing, but recent events make me doubt it.

BTW It appears Ellis may be safer than Rickards.

Why not blame the jury? It was the jury that found the Not Guilty verdict, I think you'll find that if you ask any Police Officer they are under more scrutiny than the general public. Lost me with the closing ranks they were put on trial and found not guilty by a Jury, or have the Police got to the jury too?

[SixPackBack]

No I didn't and I'm not being drawn into discussing details.

However, I do know that getting a conviction for rape is at times very difficult. Elsewhere in this thread I described the experience a mate of mine had with a rapist he caught in the act but was acquited because the victim was intoxicated at the time. Any 18 or 20 year old complaint without physical evidence is going to come down to one parties word against the others. The jury has to decide which party is more believable.

How does a Cop contain himself in situations such as this, the temptation to beet the living shit out of rapists must be ever present.
As must the temptation to 'stack' the odd's against the criminal before they get to court.

[Goblin]

Why not blame the jury? It was the jury that found the Not Guilty verdict, I think you'll find that if you ask any Police Officer they are under more scrutiny than the general public. Lost me with the closing ranks they were put on trial and found not guilty by a Jury, or have the Police got to the jury too?

Yes! The police lawyers got to the jury by suppressing evidence!!

[Goblin]

Very intelligent man...

Intelligent enough to abuse his authority and use the system to get away with horrific sexual violation over a long a long period.

[Teflon]

Shit like this doesn't surprise me.. i know of a few currupt piglets on the payroll including a detective. What really makes me laugh is a tinny house next door to the pig station. You can't tell me these fuckers don't know about it. Only time it was raided, was from the MOB.

[Hitcher]

Remind me again, please, as to why this thread has become yet another "bash the Police" thread?

[Patrick]

Intelligent enough to abuse his authority and use the system to get away with horrific sexual violation over a long a long period.

20 years ago when he was young, dumb, and full o come... You saying he has done it regularly since?

[Patrick]

Remind me again, please, as to why this thread has become yet another "bash the Police" thread?

Most do, it seems....

[Jantar]

Yes! The police lawyers got to the jury by suppressing evidence!!

That is quite an acusation to make. Are you saying that there some additional evidence relating to the allegations that was deliberately suppressed by the police? If this is the case then what was this evidence, and how come you know about but the defence lawyers didn't?

Or is it that there are some additional known facts that relate to another case and another time that legally can't be introduced?

[Scouse]

That is quite an acusation to make. Are you saying that there some additional evidence relating to the allegations that was deliberately suppressed by the police? If this is the case then what was this evidence, and how come you know about but the defence lawyers didn't?

Or is it that there are some additional known facts that relate to another case and another time that legally can't be introduced?

Your just playing with semantics

[Jantar]

Your just playing with semantics

No, I'm not just playing with semantics at all.

It is the legal seperation of evidence and supposition that is an importanat point of law. Many people may believe that evidence relating to the case has been supressed, but what has been suppressed is evidence that doesn't relate to this case at all. It is only supposition that facts relating to another case may have been evidence in this one.

[Goblin]

That is quite an acusation to make. Are you saying that there some additional evidence relating to the allegations that was deliberately suppressed by the police? If this is the case then what was this evidence, and how come you know about but the defence lawyers didn't?

Or is it that there are some additional known facts that relate to another case and another time that legally can't be introduced?

I'm not going add any more to this discussion as I dont want to jepardise any possible future court cases on this issue.

I am not bashing all cops. I would like to bash some lawyers but that would wouldn't work either.

[spudchucka]

True Spud, but the decision has to be beyond reasonable doubt.

Did the rape occur? Maybe. Was it consent? Maybe. Has it affected the victim? Absolutely. But back to the first two points... Maybe.

Maybe is not beyond reasonable doubt.

This whole thread is a big maybe.

[spudchucka]

I don't know if we need worry about all cops being rapists. It's greater worry how they close ranks when one is caught out. Hopefully this is changing, but recent events make me doubt it.

BTW It appears Ellis may be safer than Rickards.

Why has this case caused you to believe that police close ranks when one of their own is accused? The cops have gone all out to get this guy. Many of the detectives who worked on the case would undoubtedly have know the accused personally to some degree. Sure the investigation all those years ago looks like it may have been as you describe but this one has been utterly professional.

[spudchucka]

How does a Cop contain himself in situations such as this, the temptation to beet the living shit out of rapists must be ever present.
As must the temptation to 'stack' the odd's against the criminal before they get to court.

The temptation is for most overshadowed by the drive to see the matter through to the ultimate conclusion, the creep going to jail. If you drop your standards you risk losing the case and facing criminal sanctions yourself. Why bother? The low lifes aren't worth the small amount of satisfaction you would get from beating the crap out of them.

"Stack the odd's against the criminal before they get to court"

It doesn't happen any where near often enough but when you do have sufficient evidence that you know they are screwed to the wall before they get to court it is infinately more satisfying than smacking any bad guy in the head.