Nicholas rape trial outcome discussion

[Madness]

For example - there is a decision in the New Zealand Law Reports which describes a man feeding his semen to a child to get her used to the taste.

That is just fucking SICK

[Hitcher]

This is a private conversation amongst friends,we can discuss and say anything we like about any subject.

Well, not quite. It's a "private conversation amongst friends" in a public forum, with a written and discoverable record kept.

[Goblin]

Yes...that just turned my stomach!

[Streetwise]

thats just wrong,,,, bbbblllaaahhhhh sicky sicky

[mikey]

Would I be breaking any rules by saying that alot of his colleagues refer to him as "the rapist" and that at social gatherings men are quick to take there partners home and guys generally make sure no women are left unaccompanied if a certain high ranking officer is about?

Hes been a bad guy for a long time.

interesting that a cop can read through all your previous charges /convictions / fines, before writing you out tickets on the side of the road. but you cant tell a jury that the defendant has done it before!

[scumdog]

interesting that a cop can read through all your previous charges /convictions / fines, before writing you out tickets on the side of the road. but you cant tell a jury that the defendant has done it before!

The jury is not deciding the penalty.

The judge does that - and he gets to see the offenders record.

Likewise the cop at the side of the road - if you have a shitload of tickets in your past them you are obviously a slow learner and need to take on the consequence -as opposed the the 'Joe Average' who has maybe only had one or two tickets who MAY get a warning, I could go on but it gets a little compicated.

[Paul in NZ]

Whats more intersting is that a thread about some fairly important and topical issues with some stunningly usefull obsevations can finally peter out and end up back on traffic tickets.... sssiiiigggghhhhhhhhhh!

[crashe]

I think we should all be applauding the woman who took on two of the alledged abusers and won her case against them... as they are doing time now for the same offence that happened to LN 20 years ago.

Why did she wait so long to report it?

Well some women NEVER report a rape... some need time to deal with what happened to them... some never get over it.

Maybe back then she was threatened if she reported it. We don't know this...

But good on her for taking all three of them to court.

Should previous past violent sex attacks be brought up in court... then YES it should be. I reckon the outcome would have been different to what it is now.

Do I believe her.... YES I do.
Should these 3 men serve time - YES I do.

I hear that she and her lawyers are supposed to be appealing the case.

Should CR remain a cop - NO he should be sacked with no pension.

If I sound harsh about this... then tough...
But what they did is wrong and they should be damn well punished.

[Hitcher]

If I sound harsh about this... then tough...
But what they did is wrong and they should be damn well punished.

Were you a member of the jury and presented with the same evidence and legal instruction as they were? I think not.

The jury handed down 20 not guilty verdicts.

"Punishment" is a relative term. Nobody involved has escaped this case without significant impact on their lives and reputations.

[Goblin]

The jury handed down 20 not guilty verdicts.

"Punishment" is a relative term. Nobody involved has escaped this case without significant impact on their lives and reputations.

Not least Louise Nicholas and her family and friends. These men ARE Guilty and have got away with it by paying shitloads of money to scum sucking lawyers and by bullying. CR will no doubt get his Golden Handshake and move overseas, rubbing his hands together with glee! What sort of example is that to young impressionable police? Or the general public for that matter? I'd like to see those men strung up by the balls and repeatedly raped with a baton!!

[Grahameeboy]

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What has appalled me is the moral behaviour of the men in question and the apparent lack of shame. They have disgraced the organisation of which they were members.

Forgetting the rape question (thats difficult I know) the actions of these men was utterly appalling! They were older and married for goodness sakes and took advantage of someone in a situation them must have known was wrong! Without a doubt, I do not want any of these people in a position of power or authority ever again. If they have a shred of decency they will slink off into obscurity and pray to be forgiven for their actions.

Paul N

Gotta agree with the morals issue Paul....sucks

[Goblin]

"Punishment" is a relative term. Nobody involved has escaped this case without significant impact on their lives and reputations.

Are you saying the impact on the accused's lives and reputations is punishment enough? 'cos that how I read it. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Hitcher]

Are you saying the impact on the accused's lives and reputations is punishment enough? 'cos that how I read it. Correct me if I am wrong.

I'm not taking sides on this. But on the basis that a jury found the accused not guilty on all 20 charges then, arguably, they have suffered too much. My point was that nobody involved with this trial escaped unscathed.

[Maha]

Years ago, flated with a guy that worked for MOT in Rotorua. We would sometimes go up to the police station bar area before the clubs opened. Any cop leaving the bar that had been drinking was told where the check points were, if they didnt already know. One of those guys accused had the rep of being a ' fucking shocker ', and that came from a bloke that knew him very well. And whats with the P O L I C E reffering to themselves as PLEECE. All the top brass/ministers pronounce it that way, it is po-lice. Was on a jury that aquitted a guy of class 'B' drugs for supply because the defence in my view had the better case, its amazing to watch a trail unfold in the court room, and how someone can sway your judgment. Any evidence ommited from a trail is (to my knowledge ) agreed to by both party's, not just the one. They trade off so to speak, they confer.

[Goblin]

I'm not taking sides on this. But on the basis that a jury found the accused not guilty on all 20 charges then, arguably, they have suffered too much. My point was that nobody involved with this trial escaped unscathed.

What about the suffering Louise has endured for 20 years or more?? If it weren't for these scumbags actions in the first place, she wouldn't have had to suffer anything. I really hope she does find the strength to appeal this case. My heart goes out to Louise and her family.