Remington model 597

**Sniper** · 5th April 2006, 13:43

Originally Posted by Finn

I'm trying in now with my receptionist... Just not quite ready to try and throw her yet but I have got a firm hold...

Lucky bugger, I don't even have a receptionist and I have 3 restraining orders.........

**Sniper** · 5th April 2006, 13:43

Unbelievable that a rifle for sale thread has turned into a Ballistics discussion. Its GREAT!

**texmo** · 5th April 2006, 13:46

Well its sold drunken money is buying it gonna pick it up tognight for $500

**scumdog** · 5th April 2006, 13:49

Originally Posted by texmo

Well its sold drunken money is buying it gonna pick it up tognight for $500

Sounds like DM could have scored a bargain, just bif the scope and put a decent one on and he'll have a good rig.

**Drunken Monkey** · 5th April 2006, 14:31

Only I'm pretty sure the price is $300...

**kickingzebra** · 5th April 2006, 14:32

See tex, baffle them with bullshit, and someone will buy it!!

**texmo** · 5th April 2006, 15:13

see you tonight monkay.

I am not the site Enfant Provocateur for nothing zebra ^^;

**beyond** · 6th April 2006, 09:33

Interesting thread.
I've done heaps of shooting over the years.
While keeping records for shooting oppossums, got to 35,000 before I stopped keeping records and shot for a few years after. Was doing it to keep fit and used to hunt around 5-7 hours three to four nights a week and then get up for work the same day.

Shot heaps of goats and been deer stalking a few times.

Used a .22 LR, a 22 magnum, remington 260, Ruger 270, Tikka 22-250.

Now if recoil was equal to impact force, I'd be dead or minus a shoulder.
A full grown stag shot at 100 metres with a .270 in the chest, gets tossed backwards on it's arse and the exit wound aint pretty.

At 500 metres, a .270 round hits the target retaining a tonne of energy.
At 100 metres, that energy is around 3.5 tonnes.

Minimium force required to humanely kill a deer, is 1000ft/lbs, regardless of calibre or range.
The .270 can do that at 500 metres. A .243 can do this at 250 metres etc etc.

Ballistics is a massive field of knowledge and quite intricate. There are so many variables, such as wind, temperature, altitude, if you are shooting uphill and downhill etc.

But, if the force of the recoil was equivalent to the force of impact, using a larger calibre rifle, you wouldn't have a shoulder.

**Sniper** · 6th April 2006, 10:32

Originally Posted by beyond

Now if recoil was equal to impact force, I'd be dead or minus a shoulder.
A full grown stag shot at 100 metres with a .270 in the chest, gets tossed backwards on it's arse and the exit wound aint pretty.

Finally someone see's where Im coming from

**scumdog** · 6th April 2006, 11:34

Originally Posted by Sniper

Finally someone see's where Im coming from

Had a chamois take a 308 in the chest from 20 metres, it raked him from brisket to hind leg where the bullet lodged i.e. ALL the available bullet energy went into him.

His reaction? Stood there and looked at me then turned and trotted away.!!
(2nd bullet sideways through the chest dropped him)

That is only one of many times the animal has failed to react in the correct manner - i.e. being bowled over on it's arse.

As I said earlier, it's the fact the bullet is so light in comparison to the rifle that your shoulder holds up.
Try it with a bullet that weighs the same as the rifle and see what happens.

**Sniper** · 6th April 2006, 11:45

I understand SD. But the original comment was that the recoil energy is equal to the energy of the bullet striking the target, which it isn't.

You are right though, and good shot.