Remington model 597

[chris]

Good thread though.

[Sniper]

IBoth rounds will hit the ground at the same time as the force of gravity is a constant and is not affected by the factors you state.

You are wrong there Chris, I understand where you are coming from regarding recoil, but understand that the momentum of the round hitting the rabit is not the same amount of momentum carried into the shoulder.

If I fired a round directly downwards and dropped a round of EQUAL weight and size, the round that has left the barrel is carrying more momentum from the start will hit the ground BEFORE the round dropped from the hand. The reason for this is (and it is common sense) that the round dropped from the hand has to build up to terminal velocity and stay at it, where the round leaving the barrel is moving faster than terminal velocity from the start as well as accellerating and is yet to slow down to it.

You are right, it is a good thread

[kickingzebra]

Is wind etc a factor, because ground effect will come in somewhere.
My .303 should be about say 2500 fps muzzle velocity, use 9.6mss as gravity, and I know that max range (not effective) for .303 is about 7km... I could crunch the numbers, butthat would seem to imply they will both hit the ground in less than a second, if suspended at 1m above ground level. that doesn't bear out, in saying that .303 won't hit max range from that elevation... The real equation is way bigger than any of the simplistic stuff we are alluding to

[MSTRS:Me]

Recoil in an air-rifle would be almost a non-event. The slug is soooo light (esp. in a .177) that the force required to get it moving to around 800fps (which would be towards the upper end of the velocity range in this type of rifle) would almost entirely be absorbed by the weight of the rifle before the recoil would be felt by the shooter. An air-powered weapon does 'jump' upon firing but I would think that this would be more the release of the spring than recoil in the accepted sense. The other difference is that although the projectile is propelled by gases in both air-rifles and rim- or centre-fire rifles, an air-rifle works by rapid compression of air to push the projectile down the barrel, whereas rapid EXpansion of gas propels the projectile down the barrel of rim/centre-fire rifle.

[Sniper]

No, wind is not a factor, we are talking about firing a bullet strait down, hang on...................

Chris, please accept my apologies, I was thinking of firing a bullet vertically instead of horizontally

[chris]

You are wrong there Chris

Beg to differ.

You are right, it is a good thread

But getting back to Newton's third law. Do a bit of a Google, I'm sure there are plenty of explanations on the interweb.

[chris]

Chris, please accept my apologies,

No worries

[bugjuice]

I've just found this remington too, with a few attachments.. nice..

[Finn]

Stop yah bickering you lot. Read this - all is explained...

http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_recoil.htm

[Sniper]

Thanks Finny

[Sniper]

But getting back to Newton's third law. Do a bit of a Google, I'm sure there are plenty of explanations on the interweb.

There are, but I still beg to differ that the force of the round hitting the animal is the same amount of force exerted on the shoulder

[kickingzebra]

Stop yah bickering you lot. Read this - all is explained...

http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_recoil.htm

Thanks Finn, but we were sooo close to a breakthrough, that could have changed the laws of physics as we know them!!! might have made for faster laps at puke... Say, if you were to start off the line, and your forward energy was to be equally applied to the track, which would then inversely apply it to the rider behind you, which would effectively catapault them backwards...

But I digress, aside from the fact I haven't been bothered getting my gun license (.303 is held in trust by a family friend with all the criteria met)

$300.00 is a good deal, and I'd buy it... although, one has to wonder about that Texmo character... How does one come by a gun to sell, but not know what they are worth?? besides, don't you want to do the postal thing yourself?!?

[Sniper]

Hey I apologised for being wrong Zebra I can't help it if in my world Vertical and horizontal are the opposite to the normal worlds?

[texmo]

I paid about $800 for it about 9 months ago I got it from a guy who brought it and sold it to me a week later he paid about $1200.

I have been shooting since I was about 4 or 5.

[kickingzebra]

Texmo, that doesn't answer the question, don't you wanna go postal???

Though I suppose scoped 22 magnums aren't really the stuff of gangster warfare, cause if you want to be cool when you pop a cap in someones ass, you have to hold the gun on the side... Mades sighting in the scope a real pain!!

I'm just being a knob, not trying to imply you stole it, hell at $300 with 30 rounds through it, if it ain't beaten and rusted, its a steal of a deal!!

(rule of sales, don't sell it for what its worth, sell it for as much as you can get for it!!)

Sniper, With that sort of physics, wee can easily create a new world order, by simply confounding all opponents! Then they will roll over and hand us the keys of power.. the blue power ranger, and captain planets powers all combined...

Medicine time!!