Remington model 597

[ManDownUnder]

There are, but I still beg to differ that the force of the round hitting the animal is the same amount of force exerted on the shoulder

The conservation of energy principle is fully at play here, meaning what goes forward has an equal amount of go back push too.... but there is a big difference in the two, and there are a number of devices employed to minimise the impact on the shooter.

• The mass of the rifle slows the impact considerably
• Size of the butt spreads the load
• Any energy used in cycling the weapon removes some of the energy from the overall felt recoil - and possibly the projectiles travel
• Gas vents put on the front of the barrel the deflect any of the gases back/sideways

Additionally, an air rifle often has a reverse recoil.

That is after the initial push against the shoulder while the spring and piston accelerate forward, moving the column of air and projectile with it, there is actually a considerable "pull" the shooter will feel that happens as a result of the piston hitting the stop and the end of it's cylinder. Of course it happens very fast so it's not easy to discern the individual components.

For this very reason air rifles need to have scopes of a different construction, and often need different mounting mnechanisms and they'll creep backwards along the dovetail (every shot the rifle jumps forward, and the inertia of the scope "drags" it back.

Simple really... and when it comes down to it - I'd rather be on the blunt end than the sharp end receiving the energy...

[texmo]

Texmo, that doesn't answer the question, don't you wanna go postal???

What do you think my shotguns are for?

[kickingzebra]

The coolest gun I ever saw, My Grandad (who I scored the .303 off) had this 3 barreled affair, I was little, so can't remember the workings of it, I think it was variation on the double barrel break apart theme, it had a 12 guage barrel, a .22lr barrel, and an air rifle barrel. I kid you not, is that not the coolest?

you can get the possums attention with the air rifle, give him something to think about with the .22, and then let him forget all about everything with the shotty!!

[Drunken Monkey]

Hey Texmo dude is the stock wood or synthetic?

[texmo]

black synthetic and black stainless barell.
black scope

ohhh its the ghost rider of guns.

[Finn]

Simple really... and when it comes down to it - I'd rather be on the blunt end than the sharp end receiving the energy...

You disgusting homo!

[texmo]

picture of the gun in question

[SwanTiger]

Not that I know this for certain, but logic would lead me to believe that the recoil of the gun in question would be "close to" the impact force on the target. The only difference is that the slugs are small and there for all that force is concentrated on a very small surface.

I'd like to know more about that.

[kickingzebra]

Did you read Finns link? (not the homo one!) warning, contains coarse algebraic function, and physical law.... but is very informative

[texmo]

gun is sold
i lost so much money dam it

[scumdog]

Good for blasting possums and rabbits, but then so is a .177 air rifle if you're a good shot. So they're pretty much on par with a air rifle in my opinion.

I miss shooting possums, I miss my rifle too ... who is going to offer me a night out blasting possums?

Wot a crock - theres no comparison between 22 and a 177 slug gun - even a very good one.

By your reasoning I would be best off with a big stick - still kills possums and don't miss as much.

EDIT: To clarify, 'I' is interchangable with 'you' in the above.

[scumdog]

I am serious and I'm not a science graduate either for starters. I understand your comments regarding recoil (but from my first post I have not been trying to explain recoil) but your answer above is wrong. Both rounds will hit the ground at the same time as the force of gravity is a constant and is not affected by the factors you state.

True. Gravity doesn't know if on bullet is going forwards and one not, it still exerts the same 'pull' regardless.

BTW a 22 short will drop almost 3 feet in a 100 yards if the barrell is truly horizontal when the gun is fired.

((900mm in 90 metres for metric types)

[Lou Girardin]

There are, but I still beg to differ that the force of the round hitting the animal is the same amount of force exerted on the shoulder

As I understand the theory. The rifle recoils much slower than the round travels, but is much heavier. The kinetic energy of both is the same.
Which is why people don't get blown 20 fett backwards when hit by a bullet.

[Finn]

BTW a 22 short will drop almost 3 feet in a 100 yards if the barrell is truly horizontal when the gun is fired.

((900mm in 90 metres for metric types)

Could be very painful for a six foot guy if you aimed for his head...

[Lias]

On a completely unrelated note.
Who wants to sell me a sniper rifle without a license :-) I have this cunning plan involving high velocity lead and Comrade Clark :-)