Remington model 597

**Fishy** · 5th April 2006, 11:56

I would love one of these cell phone guns....

http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/...hone_gun_1.asp

Wouldn't want to mistake it for your normal phone when you're pissed though..

**Sniper** · 5th April 2006, 12:23

Do I have to get involved here again?

**SwanTiger** · 5th April 2006, 12:57

Originally Posted by scumdog

I was trying to offer an 'out' to you being a poor shot. Dick.

A poor shot? I'll post photographic evidence I could fire any sized slug straight up the centre of your anus.

**Sniper** · 5th April 2006, 13:13

Originally Posted by swanny

A poor shot? I'll post photographic evidence I could fire any sized slug straight up the centre of your anus.

Easy guys, no doubt you may be a reasonable shot swanny, but your theory on ballistics could use a little work. Besides, SD is just wanting to get a new spoon....

**Sniper** · 5th April 2006, 13:17

Question for all the Newtons law teachers here.

Is the force of the recoil equal to the force of the projectile striking its target or is it equal to the force of the gases being forced out the end of the barrel?

**The_Dover** · 5th April 2006, 13:25

You girls also have to look at the area that the force is applied over and the energy absorbed by shit like possum brains and the rubber pads on the rifle stock, transfer of energy to the self cocking mechanism etc.

**Hoon** · 5th April 2006, 13:27

Originally Posted by chris

I am serious and I'm not a science graduate either for starters. I understand your comments regarding recoil (but from my first post I have not been trying to explain recoil) but your answer above is wrong. Both rounds will hit the ground at the same time as the force of gravity is a constant and is not affected by the factors you state.

Well no actually you are wrong. In theory they would but in practice you would find that the dropped round will always land before the fired round.
This is due to the curvature of the earth as:

1. The projectile has to fall further as it travels around the earth.
2. As the projectile leaves the barrel, the direction of gravity changes as gravity is a vector with direction (towards the centre of the earth, not just down) and magnitude. So gravity might be constant but its direction on a moving projectile is not.

An extreme example of the above would be if you fired a projectile fast enough, it would fly out of orbit and never reach the ground.

**scumdog** · 5th April 2006, 13:28

Originally Posted by Sniper

Question for all the Newtons law teachers here.

Is the force of the recoil equal to the force of the projectile striking its target or is it equal to the force of the gases being forced out the end of the barrel?

Well look at it this way: if your rifle weight was the same as the projectile the recoil would be fearsome..
And if somehow that rifle was fired but the bullet could not move and it could? - then it would come back at the same rate (approx.) as the bullet would have gone forwards.

The bullet has spent a bit of its energy just getting to the target so it would not 'impact' as much.

**Sniper** · 5th April 2006, 13:28

Thing is Dover, half the argument is that the force of the recoil is equal to the force of the projectil striking its target

Originally Posted by scumdog

Well look at it this way: if your rifle weight was the same as the projectile the recoil would be fearsome..
And if somehow that rifle was fired but the bullet could not move and it could? - then it would come back at the same rate (approx.) as the bullet would have gone forwards.

The bullet has spent a bit of its energy just getting to the target so it would not 'impact' as much.

Yep, but does that mean that the force is equal to the gases or the round..... You should know, you are on the right track.........

**Finn** · 5th April 2006, 13:30

Here's a test to prove the theory. Go get an office chair and place it on a smooth floor. Sit in it and find something reasonably heavy. Lift your feet off the ground and throw the object as hard as you can pushing hard outwards from your chest. If the chair doesn't move in the opposite direction then try it again, this time choose a chair with wheels dumbass.

This is actually how a rocket works but demonstrates the same theory.

Do it now.

**Sniper** · 5th April 2006, 13:32

Screw you Finn, now I have to go see a phycologist cause they think I have lost it throwing the printer across the room

**Finn** · 5th April 2006, 13:35

Originally Posted by Sniper

Screw you Finn, now I have to go see a phycologist cause they think I have lost it throwing the printer across the room

I'm trying in now with my receptionist... Just not quite ready to try and throw her yet but I have got a firm hold...

**The_Dover** · 5th April 2006, 13:39

Originally Posted by Sniper

Thing is Dover, half the argument is that the force of the recoil is equal to the force of the projectil striking its target

Yep, but does that mean that the force is equal to the gases or the round..... You should know, you are on the right track.........

The energy losses from friction and air resistance will mean that the force transferred through the rifle (recoil) will be greater than the force tranferred from the projectile to it's target.

Thing is the force transferred from the rifle to your shoulder will also experience losses and be spread over a much greater area than a speeding bullet, on a far greater mass.

Otherwise you'd be better holding onto the bullet and throwing the rifle at the fuckin possum.