No burqas when riding, ok...

[enigma51]

But not as hard as a motorcylist wearing a helmet and tinted visor. If I am wearing such, and Mr Plod stops me, asks for licence - "I need to see your face to establish that you are the person this licence was issued to. Please raise your visor". " No. Won't". Now, I am quite sure that the law has a means to resolve this impasse. Probably with me being taken down to Plod Central.

Good point!

[kickingzebra]

Sorry, it seems I missed a part of my explanation.
The initial premise is that Islam is a forward moving, expansionist religion, in fact I believe the fastest growing in the world. The current favoured method is assimilation, I have posted this elsewhere. The stated goal of Islam is one of conquest. The methodology may change, but the end result is the same.

Islam recognises 2 (arguably 3) types of people in the world, it is my paraphrasing, but if you chase it down in the koran, you will find it to be true. There are Muslims, And Muslims that don't know it yet, and there are dead people. That is the ultimate end of the agenda.

Islam is a religion of control, the same could be argued of Christianity, The difference is in legalism. Sharia Law dictates what you can eat, what you can do, what you can wear, whom you can associate with amongst other things. These matters are not about choice for the true Muslim, they are final.

Islam is now invading countries by way of immigration, and reproduction.
They move to a country, they reproduce at a much greater rate than said countries population, then vote themselves into power.

What are you going to do when an Islamic party is voted into power, ushering in sweeping reforms, including the adoption of Sharia Law? Public executions are legitimised, and the right for women to vote is rescinded. Because they hold a popular majority, what can the minority do about it?

How often do you see outspoken free speech coming from the muslim world? Not very often, as it is frowned upon within the ranks. However, when Islam relocates to France for example, It can speak, and act in a brutal manner with absolute impunity.

It has been at best an uneasy peace for several hundred years now. I am not condoning the acts of the crusades, but that sort of time will come again. I sincerely believe that it will come to conflict on a much larger scale yet, and maybe in our lifetimes.

My answer if my Daughter was to decide to embrace Islam? I would be devastated, and expect a hell of a lot of good reasons out of her. It would be not unlike if one of your relatives was to join a cult. By default these are exclusive, and sometimes you cannot help but take a back seat and wait it out. There would be no excommunication from the family, but i would not hide the fact that I think that would be a dangerous decision to make. I would expect my Daughter to have thought it through.

I don't hate Muslims for having different beliefs, and if one could filter out the conquest motive from Islam, (and, for my peace of mind, i would have to add filtering out the control element) Then I would have no problem with it.

There are millions upon millions of Hindus in this world, and Buddhists. Yet none of these kill hundreds of innocent people in order to spread a message. none of these have written into their Holy books world domination, and death to opponents.

Allahu Akbar means God is Greater. Greater than what? the God he is an incomplete facsimile of.

[Oscar]

Sorry, it seems I missed a part of my explanation.
The initial premise is that Islam is a forward moving, expansionist religion, in fact I believe the fastest growing in the world. The current favoured method is assimilation, I have posted this elsewhere. The stated goal of Islam is one of conquest. The methodology may change, but the end result is the same.

Islam recognises 2 (arguably 3) types of people in the world, it is my paraphrasing, but if you chase it down in the koran, you will find it to be true. There are Muslims, And Muslims that don't know it yet, and there are dead people. That is the ultimate end of the agenda.

Islam is a religion of control, the same could be argued of Christianity, The difference is in legalism. Sharia Law dictates what you can eat, what you can do, what you can wear, whom you can associate with amongst other things. These matters are not about choice for the true Muslim, they are final.

Islam is now invading countries by way of immigration, and reproduction.
They move to a country, they reproduce at a much greater rate than said countries population, then vote themselves into power.

What are you going to do when an Islamic party is voted into power, ushering in sweeping reforms, including the adoption of Sharia Law? Public executions are legitimised, and the right for women to vote is rescinded. Because they hold a popular majority, what can the minority do about it?

How often do you see outspoken free speech coming from the muslim world? Not very often, as it is frowned upon within the ranks. However, when Islam relocates to France for example, It can speak, and act in a brutal manner with absolute impunity.

It has been at best an uneasy peace for several hundred years now. I am not condoning the acts of the crusades, but that sort of time will come again. I sincerely believe that it will come to conflict on a much larger scale yet, and maybe in our lifetimes.

My answer if my Daughter was to decide to embrace Islam? I would be devastated, and expect a hell of a lot of good reasons out of her. It would be not unlike if one of your relatives was to join a cult. By default these are exclusive, and sometimes you cannot help but take a back seat and wait it out. There would be no excommunication from the family, but i would not hide the fact that I think that would be a dangerous decision to make. I would expect my Daughter to have thought it through.

I don't hate Muslims for having different beliefs, and if one could filter out the conquest motive from Islam, (and, for my peace of mind, i would have to add filtering out the control element) Then I would have no problem with it.

There are millions upon millions of Hindus in this world, and Buddhists. Yet none of these kill hundreds of innocent people in order to spread a message. none of these have written into their Holy books world domination, and death to opponents.

Allahu Akbar means God is Greater. Greater than what? the God he is an incomplete facsimile of.

Working from the bottom up, Allahu Akbar actually means "God is Great" - so what's wrong with that.

Hindus have killed plenty. Study the partition of India.

There are plenty of Christian elements to our laws. What are you going to do about that.

Please post the quote from the Quoran about world domination.

In Islam there are the believers, "people of the book" and infidels.
"People of the Book" are Christians (and maybe Jews IIRC).

You are living proof of the saying "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing".

[Streetwise]

No, they pay for them like the rest of us.

At the end of the day we are all just human being and should be judged on our individual merits, not cultural or religious identity. Well, except kiwi sheep fuckers.

I have a good few muslim mates, they dont nick my pork scratchings when we are in the pub but other than that they are the same as any of you pricks.

They all have their prejudices and bullshit islam rants but at the end of the day it's the propaganda they have been fed by their elders and the media, same as us.

When you meet people and judge them on your own interactions it's all a little different. Just like the shit slinging on this dumb ass place!

Well you are allowed your opinion just like the rest of us, as for the shit slinging thats what this forum was all about. dont like it dont read it.

[kickingzebra]

I'll post the quotes when I get back home, during the weekend, as that involves a bit of research and rummaging on my part. A little knowledge may be a dangerous thing, but then fools do think themselves wise.

The christian elements in our law don't force christianity upon the beholden to them.

Hindus are people who have had wars aplenty, but the agenda is not there. Interestingly enough, most of the Hindus I have talked to speak of Islam as the worst evil imaginable, and Jews are muslims?! theres my startling thought for the day!!

A little knowledge is possibly the footstep up to more?
Surely it is better to have a little, and learned more through reasoned debate, than to happily go through life with only your own presuppositions to guide yourself, and never learn again.

keep the masses dumb, isn't that a labour party election promise?

[The_Dover]

Well you are allowed your opinion just like the rest of us, as for the shit slinging thats what this forum was all about. dont like it dont read it.

Sorry mate, that is just TOO funny.

[Oscar]

I'll post the quotes when I get back home, during the weekend, as that involves a bit of research and rummaging on my part. A little knowledge may be a dangerous thing, but then fools do think themselves wise.

The christian elements in our law don't force christianity upon the beholden to them.

Hindus are people who have had wars aplenty, but the agenda is not there. Interestingly enough, most of the Hindus I have talked to speak of Islam as the worst evil imaginable, and Jews are muslims?! theres my startling thought for the day!!

A little knowledge is possibly the footstep up to more?
Surely it is better to have a little, and learned more through reasoned debate, than to happily go through life with only your own presuppositions to guide yourself, and never learn again.

keep the masses dumb, isn't that a labour party election promise?

Perhaps a little bit more knowledge than you currently possess would help you realise the old maxim about "'Tis better to be quiet and be thought a fool than opening ones mouth and removing all doubt".

[MSTRS:Me]

.... and Jews are muslims?

People of the Book as referred to are the Jews and the early Christians. Islam, like Judaism, recognises Jesus as a prophet only. Islam also gives almost as much respect to Mary as Catholics do. The Koran, like the Bible, is not only a 'teaching' tool, but is also a history book in part.

[Oscar]

People of the Book as referred to are the Jews and the early Christians. Islam, like Judaism, recognises Jesus as a prophet only. Islam also gives almost as much respect to Mary as Catholics do. The Koran, like the Bible, is not only a 'teaching' tool, but is also a history book in part.

He may have been referring to the fact that Arabs and Jews are of the same racial makeup - Semitic

[Marmoot]

Sorry, it seems I missed a part of my explanation.
The initial premise is that Islam is a forward moving, expansionist religion, in fact I believe the fastest growing in the world.

Mate, you're not reading my post, so I'll write it again here

If history is to be a good teacher, I believe there were more invasions and confrontations started by non-moslem authorities. Shall I say Spanish (inquisition, colonization, etc), Dutch, Portuguese and England as the past. Germany, Italy and Japan in the World War II, and our beloved modern-day US in the past 50 years.
The number of Moslem authorities invading non-moslem country to spread their words in the past 50 years? Zero.

However, reading your last long post, I'd deduce that you are a bit schizoprenic paranoid, and I see there is little point in arguing anyway.....so perhaps I shouldn't have requoted myself up there.

Anyway, I have strong suspicion that whatever I say or do will not change your mind, so good luck to you in whatever you do. Just don't hurt 'innocent' parties in the process. Otherwise, you might turn out to be just another one of the people that you depise.

[kickingzebra]

I read your post Marmoot, but a 50 year timeframe is just a glimpse, not, I am afraid the whole story.
Yes, I'm buying my guns now...
We all know there is no point in arguing, as even if we "win" the likelihood of changing someone elses view is slim.
To be honest, I have been thinking about this for quite some time, the solution that I can see is likely to happen without too much interferance from humanity.
If the God of the bible is real, time will tell. According to that old book of mythology and anger, (no, not the Koran, we can hear peace frothing from its pages as we read it...or have you actually read even a little of it?)

God has protected his people before, and will do again. Now you know for sure I am a religious nut, but time alone will prove me right or wrong on that point.

My points,
Confrontation is inevitable.
Islam is only a religion of peace, if christianity is a religion of Non judgementalism.
Neither live their beliefs to the fullest extent.
If they did, Christians would be better people, Muslims would be more violent people.

For the record, I am not antisemitic, quite the opposite, I have some Jewish blood flowing in my veins. I can't honestly claim to have researched much about Semitism, but I would defend the rights of Israel with whatever means neccessary. (yeah, I know, they're killers and land grabbers... woe to the poor palestinian terrorists etc)

[Dafe]

I don't know why the majority of them sand niggers are here anyway?

Why do we not have an Immigration policy that states the following:

Immigration access to New Zealand will only be granted if the immigrant is beneficial to the government through tax payments via a working income.

Immigrants are not eligible for any government assistance once the immigrant has been unemployed for any period exceeding 1 month.

Also, stop allowing immigrants families through the doors FFS!

Four years ago, there was a man coming to NZ via plane who ripped up his passport and flushed it down the toilet. When the plane landed he claimed refugee status and was admitted into NZ.
Apparantly, this one man, over the past four years, has managed to immigrate 65 of his family members into the country. Thats Farkin Wrong!
I think this is whats sparked the immigration reviews of late.

[OMG]

Dafe, as the world's fastest Cook Islander, I presume that at some time in your family's history, your family were immigrants to New Zealand too.

[MSTRS:Me]

Dafe, as the world's fastest Cook Islander, I presume that at some time in your family's history, your family were immigrants to New Zealand too.

As are/were every last person here. Length of tenure appears to confer greater rights.

[kevie]

Nah its cos it makes it hard for the cop too see if they are worth chatting up :P
The couple times I have been pulled up by a cop I was asked to take the helmet off... so cop can see me..... and I spoke to our local garage, the ladies go in there with the headgear on and wont take them off ... I said to him what if us bikers came in with our full face tinted helmets on ? he said we wouldnt get served ... is that discrimination or what ??

Its the old "rules for them and rules for everyone else story eh"