No burqas when riding, ok...

[MSTRS:Me]

hang on - hold up... THEM and US.... that's always a good starting point. Why make it THEM and US? Here's a radical departure - who cares?.......Why is this so hard?

But...but... bu- that makes too much sense for us red-necks to cope with.
If logic should be applied, then since these women wear this thing and DON'T drive in 'their' country, then why should they expect to drive here, yet still wear etc...?

[u4ea]

But...but... bu- that makes too much sense for us red-necks to cope with.
If logic should be applied, then since these women wear this thing and DON'T drive in 'their' country, then why should they expect to drive here, yet still wear etc...?

....because they know us kiwi woman were the first to be allowed to vote and theyre just arn:t aware we don"t throw hot oil on our ladies for speaking up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!unless its the rite temperature of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MSTRS:Me]

....because they know us kiwi woman were the first to be allowed to vote.....

...and wasn't that just the beginning of the end for a normal, sensible society? ...sheesh, next 'they' will be expecting roles in upper management, government and so on. Where will it end???

[u4ea]

...and wasn't that just the beginning of the end for a normal, sensible society? ...sheesh, next 'they' will be expecting roles in upper management, government and so on. Where will it end???

i hate equality,it means i have to go to work and pay bills................would much rather be on a cool bike site all day..........................

[Marmoot]

I think Marmoot is playing Devil's Advocate & fair enough too - shows an understanding from both sides.

A bit of correction there, it's not about Devil's advocate.

I'm all up for requirements for drivers not to wear veils, etc.

BUT, with the excuse of 'impending field of vision'? C'mon, have you ever tried to wrap a shirt on your head and only allow your eye parts looking out? It's not as much impending vision as a motorcycle full-face helmet.
I'm just Sick and Tired of this government's knee-jerk reactionist and making such half-baked legislations every fortnights.

IF they are paid hundreds of tax-payer's hard-earned dollars per annum to make legislation, then THEY BLOODY WELL MAKE A GOOD AND ROBUST LEGISLATION, not some legislation that even a kindergarten teacher can tear up to shreds.

Again, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST/FOR ANY FRIGGIN BURQAS, BUT I DO HAVE THINGS POLITICIANS WITH HOT AIR THAT STINKS

May I remind you all just a bit of recent examples:
- recent taxi/bus driver legislation that needs repairing?
- Noise legislation that could not be implemented?
- council bylaws that contradicts nationwide law (auckland brothel bylaw, anyone?)
- dog laws made just after a few mauled kids got reported in NZHarold, not before.
- immigration laws that changes everytime NZHarold reported something (yesterday we ban chinese, today we ban middle easterns, tomorrow maybe we have too much pommy, etc)
- pregnancy tests for islanders coming here, oh damn it contravenes human rights and blatantly embarassing...
- and the list goes on and on and on...

[MSTRS:Me]

i hate equality,it means i have to go to work and pay bills................would much rather be on a cool bike site all day..........................

....or on your knees scrubbing the kitchen floor, and making sure your man has his pipe, slippers & newspaper waiting for when he gets home. "Make yourself comfortable dear. I'll give you a call when your dinner is on the table".....
.....and not a bloody bhurka in sight.

[MSTRS:Me]

Sensible as usual, Marmoot. The right laws for the right reasons eh?

[Marmoot]

Sensible as usual, Marmoot. The right laws for the right reasons eh?

thanks.....that's exactly my point.

[skelstar]

Sunglasses screw your peripheral vision a fair bit too...we gonna ban those in cars too?

Fuck that...Im not going to live in a police state and thats what this country is legislating its way towards at the moment. I thought bikers were a bit more open minded than this?

Get real people...Burkas/headscarfs='go home'...I mean come-on?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Edit: Anyone knows if driving a car while wearing helmets (or, let's make it "full-face motorcycle helmet") illegal? I'm concerned about my safety at times.

dunno if its illegal but when we were young one of our mates was such a crap driver (in his Mums Mini 850 powerhouse, four up) that we all wore our crash helmets... and gave him a running commentary. (90 left, tightens.... that sort of stuff).

He developed into quite the nervous type after a while.

[Insanity_rules]

Your all infidels and Mohammed will send you all to hell........... LOL
I've yet to see a muslim woman on a motorcycle (I just got a funny mental pic of that) in a Berkah.

I say each to their own.

[Marmoot]

dunno if its illegal but when we were young one of our mates was such a crap driver (in his Mums Mini 850 powerhouse, four up) that we all wore our crash helmets... and gave him a running commentary. (90 left, tightens.... that sort of stuff).

He developed into quite the nervous type after a while.

welcome home (from the other thread)....

[HenryDorsetCase]

Again, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST/FOR ANY FRIGGIN BURQAS, BUT I DO HAVE THINGS POLITICIANS WITH HOT AIR THAT STINKS

May I remind you all just a bit of recent examples:
- recent taxi/bus driver legislation that needs repairing?
- Noise legislation that could not be implemented?
- council bylaws that contradicts nationwide law (auckland brothel bylaw, anyone?)
- dog laws made just after a few mauled kids got reported in NZHarold, not before.
- immigration laws that changes everytime NZHarold reported something (yesterday we ban chinese, today we ban middle easterns, tomorrow maybe we have too much pommy, etc)
- pregnancy tests for islanders coming here, oh damn it contravenes human rights and blatantly embarassing...
- and the list goes on and on and on...

awwwww. all I wanted to do was rant. Now you've made me think. NO fair

[Marmoot]

Sunglasses screw your peripheral vision a fair bit too...we gonna ban those in cars too?

Fuck that...Im not going to live in a police state and thats what this country is legislating its way towards at the moment. I thought bikers were a bit more open minded than this?

Get real people...Burkas/headscarfs='go home'...I mean come-on?

*ahem*....."burkas/headscarfs='go home'" principle will make this country a police state.
I thought you as a biker was a bit more open minded than this?

edit: I didn't know smilies are case-sensitive....

[chickenfunkstar]

Has anyone actually seen a Muslim woman driving with a full face burqa?
There's quite a few Muslim girls who wear a head scarf only at uni but I can only remember seeing a couple wearing a full face burqa in the whole time i've been there. As for restricting vision, I wouldn't know as i've never worn one.

Seems as though some of the people in this thread are just looking to attack Islam. Whats with the 'if you move here, do what I do' attitude? Part of the deal with New Zealand is that you don't have to do what everyone else is doing. We have the freedom to wear / believe in what ever we want. Why should this not extend to everyone who lives here?