Domino's Pizza Delivery

[Finn]

As for riding about in a t-shirt not harming anyone else - what about the cost to your medical bills as and when they hit the ground and lose half their skin to gravel rash? Don't know how your medical care is paid for over there, but as we still (just about) have a national health service, it all adds to our taxes to try to finance it. The more use, the more money needed to finance.

We've got that covered. Our socialist government over taxed us around $6 billion last year. There's plenty of cash to go around.

[Ixion]

I'd be VERY careful about the "they cost us for medical bills etc" argument. Even if all motorcylists wore every bit of protective gear possible, they are still going to end up costing the country a lot of money for medical expenses. Then add in the cost of fatalities, cost of rescue services, ambos etc.

So if some motorcylists are to be condemned because they cost the taxpayer money by their actions, should not all motorcyclists ? After all no-one *needs* to ride a motorcyle. And why should cagers , or taxpayers, have to pay extra because motorcylists smash themselves up so often?

So the country could save lots and lots of money simply by forbidding such a silly, dangerous, expensive, unnecesary pasttime. Why bother legislating about what bikers *wear*, legislate to *eliminate* bikers and you solve the problem completely.

We can all buy nice safe cages. Problem solved.

See, it's a dangerous and slippery slope using the "if you crash you'll cost me money" argument.

(Actually why stop at motorcycling. Think how much melanomas and skin cancer must cost the country. Compulsory bhurkas for everyone! And what about the social costs of alcohol? Are y'all going to vote for prohibition?)

[Zapf]

I would like to 2nd this.... "Domino's Pizza Delivery, lack of safety equipment and training" As I have personally seen the same thing as well.

I actually pulled the lad over and had a talk to him.

They say that the company management considers a helmet and vis vest to be enough for equipment. And those are also 50cc scooters I think, hence the riders never had proper motorcycle training.

Most of these kids have no ideas about riding or motorcycling or the dangers they are putting themselves in.

If WE KB cares about the well being of all who is on two wheels, then I think they are the ones we should assist. Because of how CHEAP their employers are being are putting riders in harms way.

[Jase W]

I ride around the city in jeans, vans, jacket (armoured), gloves & helmet - does this make me a bad person?

That is the absolute minimum I would wear, I'd rather ride pantsless & barefoot then without my jacket, gloves & helmet, but I dont feel that armoured pants & bike boots are too necessary for city riding (all 50k riding - the occasional 70k) (Pain in the ass having to take a change of pants & shoes with me everywhere too).

Of course in saying that, tomorrow i'll prolly have an off heading to course that will result in no use from the waist down, but my top half will come out without a scratch

[Bob]

I'd be VERY careful about the "they cost us for medical bills etc" argument. Even if all motorcylists wore every bit of protective gear possible, they are still going to end up costing the country a lot of money for medical expenses. Then add in the cost of fatalities, cost of rescue services, ambos etc.

So if some motorcylists are to be condemned because they cost the taxpayer money by their actions, should not all motorcyclists ? After all no-one *needs* to ride a motorcyle. And why should cagers , or taxpayers, have to pay extra because motorcylists smash themselves up so often?

So the country could save lots and lots of money simply by forbidding such a silly, dangerous, expensive, unnecesary pasttime. Why bother legislating about what bikers *wear*, legislate to *eliminate* bikers and you solve the problem completely.

We can all buy nice safe cages. Problem solved.

See, it's a dangerous and slippery slope using the "if you crash you'll cost me money" argument.

(Actually why stop at motorcycling. Think how much melanomas and skin cancer must cost the country. Compulsory bhurkas for everyone! And what about the social costs of alcohol? Are y'all going to vote for prohibition?)

I live in the 51st State of America remember? Outside of the US, the UK must now qualify as THE biggest nanny-state around. And as such, we're under constant bombardment from well-meaning types. And so yes, I am very, very aware of the potential slippery slope.

But if someone has taken "reasonable precautions" (by which I mean wearing protective clothing), then if something does happen, then they've done their best to minimise the effects. And so when the accident studies are compiled, hopefully this is relected.

But going back to my original point - my Summer riding gear will actually keep me COOLER than just wearing a t-shirt and shorts. Quite aside from the safety aspect... both gravel and melanoma sides! You also run the risk of sunstroke when riding in t-shirt and shorts... and you really don't want sunstroke when you are riding a bike...

[Bob]

I would like to 2nd this.... "Domino's Pizza Delivery, lack of safety equipment and training" As I have personally seen the same thing as well.

I actually pulled the lad over and had a talk to him.

They say that the company management considers a helmet and vis vest to be enough for equipment. And those are also 50cc scooters I think, hence the riders never had proper motorcycle training.

Most of these kids have no ideas about riding or motorcycling or the dangers they are putting themselves in.

If WE KB cares about the well being of all who is on two wheels, then I think they are the ones we should assist. Because of how CHEAP their employers are being are putting riders in harms way.

Hear, hear!

I can't find a copy offhand, but the document someone needs to obtain and wave at someone who can enforce this type of thing is the CODE OF PRACTICE FOR THE PIZZA, PASTA AND ITALIAN FOOD ASSOCIATION in the UK. The (pizza) industry is also working with the Driving Standards Agency to develop vocational training for delivery riders.

OK, it'll probably add a few coppers to the price of a pizza, but better that than the delivery kid being splattered all over the road.

[u4ea]

I would like to 2nd this.... "Domino's Pizza Delivery, lack of safety equipment and training" As I have personally seen the same thing as well.

I actually pulled the lad over and had a talk to him.

They say that the company management considers a helmet and vis vest to be enough for equipment. And those are also 50cc scooters I think, hence the riders never had proper motorcycle training.

Most of these kids have no ideas about riding or motorcycling or the dangers they are putting themselves in.

If WE KB cares about the well being of all who is on two wheels, then I think they are the ones we should assist. Because of how CHEAP their employers are being are putting riders in harms way.

i absolutely agree.

[kro]

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Most of these kids have no ideas about riding or motorcycling or the dangers they are putting themselves in.

I couldn't disagree more. Any child that has learnt to ride a push bike, knows the pain involved in even a low speed push bike spill. You cannot be serious that these "kids" have no idea what potential danger they face riding a 2 wheeled vehicle with a minimum of gear, at a steady 50kph.

Depending on who you listen to on KB, the danger these kids on scooters face, is all imaginary anyway, so why are we all worrying?. If the ACC levy argument is your favourite, then why is it drunken and speeding teens/adults in cars that we see on the TV adverts, and not scantily clad motorcyclists?. Because thats the demographic responsible for a large chunk of the carnage on our roads.


If someone doesn't want to wear gear, thats their call

[Insanity_rules]

I used to work for Sailor Sams (delivery takeaways) as supervisor for the Motorcycle delivery people (I was also out delivering myself). I'd send riders home who werent wearing what I considered a minimum of safety gear and seeing as you got paid by the delivery that was taken seriously. Not only that but the offending rider would often get shit from the other delivery people for letting the side down, especially if we were busy.

I considered a minimum to be a suitable jacket, gloves and boots (or strong footwear). I didn't really like jeans but I'd let them go.

Someone should say something to OSH before some of these delivery kids get really hurt.

[HenryDorsetCase]

They did a helmet thats all you have to wear by law. His own stupid fault if he dosent wear gear.

hard to save up for a grands worth of kit when you earn $4 an hour.

I agree with the posters who say that the company should supply the gear. a decent jacket at least.

[HenryDorsetCase]

surely the answer is a letter to Dominos explaining why until you see their delivery drones wearing decent kit, you'll be ordering Hell Pizza.

cos you know, their reduced revenue is what matters to them. Delivery drones are expendable.

mmmmmmm Hell Pizza

[HenryDorsetCase]

Who has read Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash"

its relevant because our hero (wittily named Hiro Protagonist) delivers Pizzas for Cosa Nostra Pizza. He gets into all sorts of trouble when a delivery goes over 30 minutes.

[Grizz]

I don't know what good it will do but I sent a feedback form to Domino's will be interested in their reply.

While driving home from work on Wednesday 5th April, I saw one of your scooter delivery personnel. This was at the corner of Springs Road and East Tamaki roads in Auckland at about 3.45PM.

I am an active member of the New Zealand motorcycle community, I both ride and race bikes, and as such I was very concerned to see the lack of appropriate safety clothing he was wearing, which consisted only of a Helmet and a fluro vest. It is also debatable if a fluro vest can be considered safety equipment, however the situation was made worse as the weather was inclement, overcast with showers and the light was fading.

What is your company’s policy on motorcycle safety regarding your delivery personnel.

Does your company provide equipment? or does it specify a minimum level of protective equipment that the rider must wear?

Also I must advise you that this issue has been raised on a New Zealand motorcycle website, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=27403 and also your reply may also be publicised.

I look forward with interests to your comments.

[mdb]

Here in Welly the Hell's pizza guys have one of those scooters with the cage over it. Your lucky if you see them with a helmet on ... I think Dominoes are doing a bang up job providing not just a helmet but a flouro vest too ;-)

[MGST]

According to the Health and Safety Act 199?, Section 6 I think, an employer has to provide a safe work place. An employer also has to provide personal protective equipment ( PPE ) relative to the job. The employer must have a hazard management plan. All hazards that the employee can incounter during the course of their job must be identified, and a plan put in place to deal with those hazards. The standard way is the 'eliminate, isolate, minimise' procedure. They could eliminate the hazard ( falling off / being knocked off motorscooter ) by driving cars only. They could minimise the hazard by providing boots, pants, jacket etc to minimise the severity of injury caused by the hazard. The employer must also ensure the employee is competent to carry out the tasks associated with their job ( riding a scooter ). Under the same legislation, the employee must work safely at all times, and must report all hazards. So one could say that both parties are at fault, one more than the other. But at the end of the day, a lot of people working in this type of jobs are young people / students, some with not a lot of clues, and desperate for a dollar, so they don't want to cause any trouble, and end up taking risks. It is pretty poor on the part of the pizza company if they don't provide PPE, and if they do, the duty manager should get his arse kicked for not making sure his staff are wearing it, and the staffer should get his arse kicked twice, once for not adhering to company safety policy, and a second time for being a dumbass. To the person who wrote to the pizza company, you deserve some sort of award. Good on you for having the balls to ask the pizza company to explain themselves. I will be very interested to see thier reply.