81 Springbok Tour..Where were you..?

[Timber020]

I was all of 6. My dad was for the tour, my mum against.

If it was today, I would be against the tour. If you support the representitives of a nation then you support the nation. And that nation was doing alot of wrong.

[zadok]

I was working in Turangi and facinated listening to the antics taking place around the country, on the radio. I certainly don't condone the oppression of people, but I was disgusted by the antics of the protesters. I am now disgusted in Muggabe's antics in Zimbabwe.

[terbang]

So Terbang, you flew that 172 as well - it was owned by a friend of the families and was on lease to the NSAC at the time.

Can't remember his name but he was someone who had held a previous licence, joined NSAC a month or so before, got his licence current and booked the aircraft for a local flight. absolutely no suspicion whatsoever. My mate Paul did a couple of currency circuits with this bloke in the morning and signed him out for a local and then went home to watch the rugby on TV only, to his horror, to see DXI beating up eden park and dropping flour bombs barely an hour later..

[sedge]

The only way you can get a point across IS to infringe the "rights" of others, at times - otherwise you may as well piss in the wind. People wont take action or think, most times, unless they have been put out in some way.

There's a difference between CIVIL protest and ACTIVELY blocking ambulances getting in to a hospital. Like I wrote, I'm all for CIVIL protest, but that was just plain stupid.

You absolutely cannot infringe the rights of others to make your point. If you feel your rights are being violated what kind of idiotic statement are you making when you violate someone elses for your own benefit. Think about it.

CIVIL protest is good, blocking the road is fine, holding up ambulances is not.

Sedge.

[Pixie]

I stood aside as my student friends got into a lefty lather.
I didn't give a stuff about rugger buggers or fuzzy wuzzies then, and don't give a stuff about them now.

[Pixie]

Strangely these political activists are not being heard from today with the plight of the white people in SA and Zimbabwe or even the blacks of both countries.

Strangely similar to the atitude of the US administration with respect to Iraq,don't you think?
"it's for their own good,what ever the cost"

[mangell6]

My brother-in-law, to whom I am still on speaking terms, was at the Hamilton protests and was one of the "pitch-invaders".

We had many 'heated' discussions and it was NOT over the South African situation.

For me it was and still is really simple, EVERYONE has a right to protest based on what they believe in, but NO-ONE has the right to IMPOSE their own beliefs on anyone else.

I agreed with my B-I-L that SA was a crap situation and that "Governments" who supported the regime - most notably the US and the UK - were also the only ones who could do 'externally' do anything about the situation. But I disagreed that he had the right to impose his beliefs on the crowd at Rugby Park.

For me this put him on the same position as the SA government of the day imposing their beliefs on part of the population.

Regarding poly-ticks in sport, they finally came got control of the sporting bodies where it hurt.

Mike

[Skyryder]

The whole "keep politics out of sport" issue is a crock. All sport is "political". And probably always has been. Just look at how much dosh our Government forks out each year on elite athletes, the World Rugby Cup and other events and opportunities designed to keep "Aotearoa uber alles"...

What is the Olympics, if not a major political opportunity for "superpowers" and the third world?

Spot on as Hitch.

Anyone who thinks that politics and sport are seperate have their head buried in the sand. Poitical parties, governments etc. are the first to jump on the bandwagon when a national team or an indavidual wins or breaks a record. And this is how it should be. Teams and indaviduals represent their country, not themselves when they participate in their nations name.

Skyryder

[Finn]

In 1981 I was 19 and in the 4th form. I didn't really pay much attention to it at the time, I wasn't overly into rugby and was more interested in improving my grades so I could get a job and fine people for exceeding the speed limit by 5 k's.

Good one Spud. Glad it panned out for you.

95% of the people protesting didn't know what they were protesting about. Today, South Africa is basically fucked. The whites didn't care for the blacks and now the blacks in power don't give a fuck either. Unfortunately, all african nations are corrupt. It's just they way of the tribal system, much the same as the maori tribal system. Mandella should have stayed in jail. He's a little shit sturrer that boy.

My point - Freedom came at a huge price.

[Skyryder]

Good one Spud. Glad it panned out for you.

95% of the people protesting didn't know what they were protesting about. Today, South Africa is basically fucked. The whites didn't care for the blacks and now the blacks in power don't give a fuck either. Unfortunately, all african nations are corrupt. It's just they way of the tribal system, much the same as the maori tribal system. Mandella should have stayed in jail. He's a little shit sturrer that boy.

My point - Freedom came at a huge price.

Where's the stats for 95% or is that just a figure that you have conjured up?

So under apartheid, South Africa was 'not' fucked.

Corruption is not part of any tribal system. Many cultures do not have a word for corrupution. It's meaning only became clear after after european contact.

Mandella was released by the South African Government.

Freedom always comes at a price. It's just that you and I Finn have never had to pay for it.



Skyryder

[Patrick]

There's a difference between CIVIL protest and ACTIVELY blocking ambulances getting in to a hospital. Like I wrote, I'm all for CIVIL protest, but that was just plain stupid.

You absolutely cannot infringe the rights of others to make your point. If you feel your rights are being violated what kind of idiotic statement are you making when you violate someone elses for your own benefit. Think about it.

CIVIL protest is good, blocking the road is fine, holding up ambulances is not.

Sedge.

Well said, that man. Kinda makes a nonsence of ot all doesnt it?

Like, "lets protest about rights being abused by so and so... Lets all go out and abuse everyone elses rights to protest about rights being abused by so and so..." Huh?????

[Finn]

Where's the stats for 95% or is that just a figure that you have conjured up?

So under apartheid, South Africa was 'not' fucked.

Corruption is not part of any tribal system. Many cultures do not have a word for corrupution. It's meaning only became clear after after european contact.

Mandella was released by the South African Government.

Freedom always comes at a price. It's just that you and I Finn have never had to pay for it.


Skyryder

95% Source - Herald Digi Poll actually. When I said SA was fucked, I meant fucked from an economic sense. So therefore, SA wasn't fucked under apatheid. It sure is fucked now. It's a sad place and I'm not saying I have any answers but in this case democracy didn't work. Label it what you like, but corruption as we know it today is part of EVERY tribal system. Mandella - corrupt, Koffi Annan - corrupt, Robert Mugabe - corrupt, All maori tribes - corrupt.

You sound like a regular NZ do gooder. I bet you've got a tiki around your pale white neck, a poster of Sue Kedgley on your living room wall and 30 greenpeace stickers holding your bumber on.

Actually I think I've done my part for freedom. At least that was what I was told I was doing.

[mangell6]

Most of those places that those "learned" gentlemen came from were not corrupt prior to the "modernisation" of the European. It is pleasing to see that our Western standards being taken on so readily by these ignorant savages.

Actually the word I should be using is "Civilised". Hah!

BTW Sue would make a good dart board.

[Skyryder]

95% Source - Herald Digi Poll actually. When I said SA was fucked, I meant fucked from an economic sense. So therefore, SA wasn't fucked under apatheid. It sure is fucked now. It's a sad place and I'm not saying I have any answers but in this case democracy didn't work. Label it what you like, but corruption as we know it today is part of EVERY tribal system. Mandella - corrupt, Koffi Annan - corrupt, Robert Mugabe - corrupt, All maori tribes - corrupt.

You sound like a regular NZ do gooder. I bet you've got a tiki around your pale white neck, a poster of Sue Kedgley on your living room wall and 30 greenpeace stickers holding your bumber on.

Actually I think I've done my part for freedom. At least that was what I was told I was doing.

What a crap post. Your word for the poll and everthing else that you state.

But shit Finn I don't know how you do it. I mean this 'telepathy' thing you've got going for your self like I do wear a tiki round my neck, It's only plastic but that's good enough for a wannabe Maori. I've not only got Sue Kedgely up on my wall but also Sue Bradford as well. Both each side of Johnn Cash. But them I'm a sucker for Sue's. You got the greenpeace stickers wrong. I use them for toilet paper so the bumper bit is only half right.

So you have done your bit for freedom or so you have been told. And I'm the 'do' gooder here??

Skyryder

PS Keep looking for your brains. There's a clue in my post of where you'll find them.

[Patrick]

He "escaped" so now is "free"...