Nukes??

[kickingzebra]

Bush has balls? Doesnt take balls to order others to do the dirty work. The french prime minister has a stronger war record than the top 5 people in the whitehouse combined.

Ask any military officer... I have a Mate doing initial officer training, attrition rate on the course is quite high, as people realise they may have to send people they know to die... No, doesn't take any balls.... no sarcasm here officer...

Can't speak for the French, but how do you define stronger war record? fired the guns himself?

[Marmoot]

No mention of "democracy" in the Declaration of Independence.

Nor in the Constitution.

And of course the President is not elected by direct vote of the people but by the vote of the electoral college.

NZ is a Constitutional Monarchy, with the Representative of the Head of State appointed by the Government, and the leader of the Government, the Prime Minister appointed by the party which can form a government. At least we get to vote directly for a party these days due to MMP.

All of these structures seem quite divorced from the ideals of Athenian democracy...

My Mistake. It was the Gettysburg speech by Abe Lincoln, which is held in importance by Americans as one of their principles too.
"...that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
That is the original definition of democracy.

Sadly it now has become "the government of the people. Period".

Jim2 is right. "I've yet to meet the NZ representative MP that gives a shit about any of the things that I care about."

[James Deuce]

Nice one Tom Scott.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/common/im...,231354,00.jpg

Must remember to watch Dr Strangelove again soon.

[Lias]

George Bush isnt insane, nor is he stupid. He is however completely a puppet of israel.

I personally sincerely hope that Iran, or another muslim country get nuclear weapons into the hands of terrorists who nuke Israel and the mainland USA. Then the USA can nuke them back and we'll have no israel, no muslim nations, and a nuked america.. Sounds like paradise to me.

[James Deuce]

Ooooo Anti-Semitism - that's a new one.

[Nitzer]

George Bush isnt insane, nor is he stupid. He is however completely a puppet of the jews.

I personally sincerely hope that Iran, or another muslim country get nuclear weapons into the hands of terrorists who nuke Israel and the mainland USA. Then the USA can nuke them back and we'll have no israel, no muslim nations, and a nuked america.. Sounds like paradise to me.

sounds like a 'scorched-Earth' policy to me

[Lias]

Ooooo Anti-Semitism - that's a new one.

Anti-Semitism is prejudice towards jews. I have nothing against jews per see, I just have prejudice against israel, and the way it controls america's government :-)

[Marmoot]

the earth wouldn't look as nice when slightly dented.
Kinda like comparing shiny new apple and one with a bite mark on it.

Not to mention the axis might shift and we'd end up being slightly southern than now. My bike sucks on snow.

[Marmoot]

Anti-Semitism is prejudice towards jews. I have nothing against jews per see, I just have prejudice against israel, and the way it controls america's government :-)

I thought you were refering to Bush as a puppet of the jews, not as a puppet of Israel?

[Lias]

I thought you were refering to Bush as a puppet of the jews, not as a puppet of Israel?

Israel is mostly jewish, but have reworded for clarity.

[Marmoot]

Israel is mostly jewish, but have reworded for clarity.

'mostly' is different from 'all'
Without the clarification, one would imply your prejudice against Israel as prejudice against jews.
It's good that you clarify.

But, forgive me if I'm wrong, judging from your posts in other threads you seem to have quite a prejudice against anything non-kiwi?

[kickingzebra]

Anti-Semitism is prejudice towards jews. I have nothing against jews per see, I just have prejudice against israel, and the way it controls america's government :-)

I'd say they have done bloody well for them selves, kick ass in a war where they were not the aggressor, and were far outnumbered, become a fixture in the middle of the most turmultuous region on earth, and somehow got to control the whitehouse...

They deserve accolades, and yet, they begged aunty Helen to get back into NZs good books?
Genius, I am awed in your presence

[Lias]

I'd say they have done bloody well for them selves, kick ass in a war where they were not the aggressor, and were far outnumbered, become a fixture in the middle of the most turmultuous region on earth, and somehow got to control the whitehouse...

They deserve accolades, and yet, they begged aunty Helen to get back into NZs good books?
Genius, I am awed in your presence

They wernt the aggressor? Their entire country is built on stolen land. Any attack against them is a direct response to them occupying stolen land.

I despise Israel as a country, but I do admire their ability to manipulate america into doing their grunt work, they also have an extremely effective military and intelligence service.

And yes marmoot I'm a fairly staunch nationalist, which is why the whole "stolen land" thing of Israel is a pet peeve of mine :-P Like the Iranian dude said, if europe was feeling so guilty about what Hitler did to the jews, why didnt they give the jews a corner of europe for a homeland, rather than stealing the land from the palestinians?

[kickingzebra]

The palestinians have as much historic right to the sahara desert as anything else. And for all I care they can keep it, but problem is no one will give them money there to buy guns and rockets, so they can keep up a pretence of humanity... I speak in general, there are some very nice and reasonable palestinians.

The land rights for these 2 countries long predate the english language. How could we be expected to understand a 7 century exile from our home land??

[Nitzer]

They wernt the aggressor? Their entire country is built on stolen land. Any attack against them is a direct response to them occupying stolen land.

How about an attack on NZ? Wasn't NZ built from stolen land?

Like the Iranian dude said, if europe was feeling so guilty about what Hitler did to the jews, why didnt they give the jews a corner of europe for a homeland, rather than stealing the land from the palestinians?

Historically the Jewish people originated from Palestine, not Europe.