Nukes??

[sAsLEX]

I suppose in the navy, survivability is arguably more at stake, so they want to make the right decision first time. Still, how do you see how someone is going to react in a battle/emergency situation?

You dont but you train hard and long to ensure that the odds they will react in a similar way to training when encountered with the real situation.

Take our firefighting training, we do it with real fires in realalistic situations and have to requalify before heading to ship, why cause fire is one of our biggest dangers and the last few fires they have had on ship there was no hesatation before people were in there fighting it.

Have seen people kicked from the Navy due to an adverse reaction to a situation, such as freezing while in command of the ship due to pressure, thats why they train long and hard before being given sole control so they are exposed to all situations possible.

[Timber020]

Timber and collegues...

ANYONE in politics knows that you don't so much make money or power, while in power, you make connections with people that have both.

There are a multitude of possibly less demanding, less critical jobs to be had outside of public office, and a fair number of them would be higher paid.

The nasty side effect of having military people in power, is the one thing they understand is military. There is a problem, how are we going to fix it? Oh wait, Tiannemin square is just around the corner.

Is it just to say that any military personnal that have never seen "you kill me or I kill you combat" was never in fact in the military?
Mention that down at your nearest RSA and you'll be lynched!!

Bush is one of few politicians who by demonstrating fault, eg speaking etc, is more human than robobitch (helen) and yet, by doing what he is doing on the war front, is showing that Justice is still important. It is however interesting to note, that the left wing people, screaming the loudest on this (in the states) are all the ones that voted for clintons left wing administration to go to iraq in the very first place. Somehow it is worse, because the "war loving" right wing are taking a course of action and SEEING it Through.

Note, though personnal pro nouns are used in this post, no personnal offence is intended to timber 020 or anyone who may be a holder of the opposite viewpoint... Unless they piss me off... No one has yet.... Should I PM and tell you if you have so you know to take the insults personally?

My arguement with Bush is he actively avoided having to do his duty by getting into the national guard instead of having to go to vietnam. And he wasnt even able to stick with the guard. He sends guys to do things that in no way was he willing to do himself. That none of his crew would do.
The worse thing that bush is doing is discrediting and destroying a nation as great as the USA. Hes breaking every rule, hes condeming the US to a guarenteed future of further terrorist attacks and economic instabilty and isolation and distrust from the world community. Hes not fighting terrorism, hes fueling it.

Bush is clueless, and its taking a long time for his supporters to finally click that he really doesnt know what hes doing aside from whatever "base" tells him to. Basically (and im not including you in this) his supporters are simple folk, they like there to be a good guy and a bad guy in every story, they are fundamentalist christians who think that 911 and saddam hussain have strong links. They like to be talked to simply and to be reinforce in there blind patriotism and think the US is Always the good guy. They got hurt by 911 and felt weakened by it, and a good show of force will make them feel better. They generally dont know squat of the outside world.

[Hitcher]

This is issue is all about m o n e y.

[sAsLEX]

This is issue is all about m o n e y.

you splet it all wrong hitcher, its spelt O I L

[kickingzebra]

I must then ask, what would work to fight terrorism? bearing in mind it might not be as far away a problem as we all seem to think for NZ. Giving in to ransom demands etc only fuels the fight, as the monkeys go and buy newer bigger better weapons etc... This has shown up in history a lot in the last century.

It sounds really nice to palm off Bush supporters as simple folk, but that would be blatantly wrong. They are the conservatives, but not neccesarily simple because of it. The US doesn't have the richest economy in the world for no reason, and those people that voted bush in make up a large percentile of general populance. The equation doesn't bear out.

As with any group of people, they are broad and diverse, from poor homeless bums, through to doctors lawyers Judges etc.

The wonderful thing about management is that it involves using other peoples skills, to fulfill tasks you couldn't do yourself. Ask yourself who you would rather have leading the defence of your country in hostile times, Bush, or Helen?

At least the big bushy dog has bite.

[Hitcher]

I must then ask, what would work to fight terrorism?

"Terrorism" has little, if anything, to do with sovereign nation states. That's why dealing with it is incredibly difficult. "Terrorists" do not respect national boundaries and cannot be quelled by traditional military might. Hence the frustration of the US military -- armed with all the latest and greatest kit and caboodle -- against an "enemy" that won't come out and fight.

Terrorists can live anywhere and emerge at any time. Their chief weapon is surprise... surprise and fear... fear and surprise.... Their two weapons are fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency.... Their three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to their "prophet".... Their four... no... Amongst their weapons.... Amongst their weaponry... are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

[James Deuce]

I'd rather have Helen thanks.

One thing you've ignored kickingzebra is the vested personal interests in maintaining oil and the US dollar as the two base currencies of the world that Bush and Cheney have.

The Bush family are Texas Oil Barons. Cheny has a finger in every US oil company and oil exploration company.

All Iran have done is trade oil for Euros. The crap about their "nuclear weapons facilities" is just that - crap.

If the eastern middle east start trading oil in Euros, Bush, Cheney, et al, start to lose money personally.

Making sure low level terrorism happens to keep the money flowing to the US is the goal of the "War on Terror", not eradicating terrorism.

That is what the "war" in Iraq has been about and what the coming "wars" with Syria and Iran are about.

[sAsLEX]

All Iran have done is trade oil for Euros. The crap about their "nuclear weapons facilities" is just that - crap.

If the eastern middle east start trading oil in Euros, Bush, Cheney, et al, start to lose money personally.

So where would Tony stand on this one since he is on the Euro side I assumes?

[Marmoot]

you splet it all wrong hitcher, its spelt O I L

You got it wrong, young boy.

In the beginning, there was oil.
Then oil makes money.
Then with money comes sex.

It is all about S E X







Edit: P.S. could we have some pictures to illustrate this final point please?

[James Deuce]

So where would Tony stand on this one since he is on the Euro side I assumes?

You'd have to ask him, because so far I don't think anyone's been able to figure out just why the UK jumped in the the US so readily.

[kickingzebra]

In one hand you have wealth, in another hand you have a V8, and then, in a third hand, you have the end of the civilised world as we know it...

Lets face it, its only really civilised as long as we aren't hard out killing each other. As soon as we start randomly killing strangers, we are no different to the... SEX??
Excellent point Marmoot!!!

Speaking of Iran, tell me, would you happily walk down any street in tehran, at any time of day wearing a ""there is no god t-shirt""??
Suuure, cause, like, there aren't any phschos there huh? and when they stole your wallet after beheading you, where would the $52 dollars and two visa cards go?? To the besieged brothers in arms.
When they have been funneling money to the people that stir the unrest in the french communities, and capture nurses in the phillipines, and cut parts of their womanly anatomy off, just for the sheer hell of it, as you do....
But lets go to the largely gullible international community and moan about oil, that'll do the trick... Mean while our leverage in the international community via nuclear terrorism grows closer each day...

And the Western idiots argue over oil....

We're so dumb.. and scared and surprised, and stunned by the ruthless efficiancy and fanatical devotion to the prophet who was as mad as hatter, maybe slightly worse.

Door to door salesmen must love our gullibility if we buy the Its for Oil argument.

If it was for oil, USA would bust the door down, go in shooting till nothing moved, and then say fook yer, Oh sorry no WMDS, oh well, its for the best. They wouldn't piss around with the diplomacy/veiled threats, and nasty just plain mean things like spending billions on rebuilding the shattered infrastructure of said countries.

The world already thinks America is crazy, and, big news here, America doesn't give a toss, cause they know we are all little wanky countries that bark a lot, but have no teeth, and our pathetically little jaws have been sewn shut, in a typical left wing approach to national growth...

You don't seriously believe that Helen is the woman for handling armed confrontation? Whats she going to do, take them tramping? offer them a cheap deal on some well used museum antique planes? maybe fire the remaining 15 of the 27 whole hand held anti aircraft missiles we brought in 1997 as part of the national defense strategy for the next 15 years?

She'll be in there with big words, and the country would be overrun. Who's going to help? Aussie maybe, but only because of the strategic importance of having a hostile force so close to their borders. We going to plead with the USA? they'll say, suuurrreee, we'll just send a few nuclear powered carriers shall we???

[Marmoot]

Speaking of Iran, tell me, would you happily walk down any street in tehran, at any time of day wearing a ""there is no god t-shirt""??

Try wearing a t-shirt saying "Allah is great and there is no God except him" in Sydney or Los Angeles. I have a feeling the end result might be the same.

[kickingzebra]

Nah, they just smash you with a beer can, and then breath breathy beer breath and australian germs all over you. Occa hasn't learnt the head removal trick yet, for which I am eternally gratefull.

[James Deuce]

Or wander through the South Island wearing a T-Shirt that says, "There is no such Maori tribe as Ngai Tahu."

That's a trite argument that only serves underline the arguers lack of respect for any culture other than his own. Or is it that "free speech" thing that everyone thinks is a license to rudely and loudly discredit any opinion or culture that you don;t subscribe to?

[MSTRS:Me]

....They wouldn't piss around with the diplomacy/veiled threats, and nasty just plain mean things like spending billions on rebuilding the shattered infrastructure of said countries.....

Oh wouldn't they? Japan springs to mind. And America does seem to be a slow learner when it comes to "Might is right..."