Nukes??

[sAsLEX]

Which, doesn't initially sound like a bad thing, but doing so will start a war to end all wars in the middle east. Not good.

About time we had another 7 wonder type arrangement.

The Worlds biggest piece of glass, visible from space hundreds of miles across....

[kickingzebra]

Jim2s words in italics, response not.

The US doesn't "care" about anything except its own interests. Since the fall of the USSR there is no check on how and where they extend military force, or how they bludgeon other countries economically, and they don't even bother using any excuse when cutting a nation off at the knees if they don't agree with US "foreign policy".

Opinions are like? Four letter word, beginning with A, spelling is debatable on here...

US foreign policy, the same one that minimises the flow of illicit weapons used in various parts of Africa to quell civilians from not uprising for example? Maybe the foriegn policy that does keep the best interests of the US at heart, because if they scuttle themselves in a marketplace, they are in no position to do anything.

You have got to be kidding if you think the US are trying to do anything except maintain the flow of oil from the Middle East, and make sure it is paid for in US dollars without having to touch their own national reserves. Iran is sitting on the world's 2nd or 3rd largest oil reserves and they're not allowed to export it. Petrol prices are rising because we're being manipulated into accepting that there is extreme unrest in the Middle East and that we have hit peak oil production. Neither situation is true, but it suits US "foreign policy" to malign countries whose cultures and values are different to their own.

Unfortunatly, blaming it on Oil is just a little bit too simplistic. Ignoring the US breifly, who is doing the manipulating? Couldn't possibly be OPEC? How many US controlling factors are on said OPEC? Hmm... Let me see, bugger all, diplomatic pressure via trade is the only weight the US holds within OPEC.

OPEC limits production, to stimulate demand, and then ups the going price while playing the Chinas and Indias of this world off against one another. We are just along for the ride. The US has some influence in those circles, but aside from military intervention, and siezing the wells and infrastructure, what can they do? But of course, you will say they have already done this, in Iraq. Where unfortunately the money that comes from the oil flowing goes back to the local government. Just to piss off theorisers in NZ. Auditable trails do things like that.

Iran won't play the game the way the US want so they must be "evil", and "stupid". The Iranian president is now being characterised as "dangerous and unstable".

If we are to believe Miss Clark, anybody with any form of Nuclear Fissionable device or material is unbalanced and unstable. Various anti nuclear protests of the late 70s in NZ saw many a hospital and university Nuclear Medicine facility vandalised, and equipment damaged. The work of the uninformed angry protestor. Hideously effective, if only anyone knew what against.

Grammarian issue, but speech marks would imply I said the words stupid and evil, which I did not.

In fact, my exact words were "I don't think it is any exageration to say The governernment of Iran supports genocidal measures agaisnt the people of Israel."
I am still awaiting my "reasoned, researched, deliberated response".

Winston001 said that Bush is intelligent - he isn't - he has the rat cunning of a very good manager, and the sense to surround himself with intelligent people who have a stake in what is important to oil driven corporate USofA.


Your Research to back this up? 15 years in Kindergarten with the man?


I still don't see how a bunch of Saudi trained and equipped terrorists flying airliners into a couple of skyscrapers in NYC means that millions of people in countries not even economically aligned with Saudi Arabia have to suffer in a "War" on "Terrorism". Or that the Jews somehow managed to manipulate the US into the "war" on "Terrorism", and I certainly haven't seen any evidence of a reasoned, researched, deliberated response to anything I've said, except that "America cares".

The Saudi Arabian govnernment isn't even a problem in this debate, unless we are talking about OPEC, then we can bring that one up.

The Jews being involved in the US decision to start a "war in terror" mystifies me, History has shown the Israelis know perfectly well how to deal with their own terrorists, and if their hands weren't tied by the international community, there may well have never been a start to many of these problems.

[Jackrat]

[QUOTE=Nitzer]How about an attack on NZ? Wasn't NZ built from stolen land?

No it bloody wasn't.
All the land owned by my family, both Maori and New Zealander was gifted by Kamerea Wharepapa,,,,,SO FUCK OFF,YOU RACIST COCK!

[Hoon]

Your Research to back this up? 15 years in Kindergarten with the man?

You're not actually trying to argue that Bush IS intelligent?!? I think you've just lost all credibility right there!

Its no secret that US/UK is out to destabilise OPEC. The US as mighty as they may be, have little control over the flow of oil and this upsets them greatly. The only way to wrestle control from the OPEC nations is to flood the market with cheap oil. These middle east states whos regimes and political control rely on this $60 per barrel income would collapse if their budget was cut to $6 a barrel. The Middle East would be rife with uprisings and civil war.

[Biff]

How ironic, all the left leaning woofters come out to play, but they only ever moan or protest... Action is a verb people...

Dude - the action to which you refer has proven to do nothing but fuel anti-western beliefs and increase international/random terrorism.

The sooner those neo-conservatives get their collective hands out of their puppet's arse (gdUBYAA) the better. And guess what religion these neo-conservatives follow? Quel surprise, they're all Jews, every one of them. And which countries are they targeting, and have they openly detested for decades? That's right, the arab states, pretty much all of them in fact.

Not the commie bastards in North Korea, who, coincidently, paid the same Pakistani scientist for the same nuclear weaponry secrets and centrifuges that Iran did. Or heaven forbid - Israel, which coincidently has more UN resolutions against it that every one of the Arab nations UN resolutions added up. Oh - and Israel , to this day, refuse to openly admit to having a nuclear weapons capability, and whose national security agency (Mosad) kidnapped a former employee of one of these newkiller (as referred to by Mr dUByaa himself)facilities , in Rome.

Nuke Israel. Oh and Washington. And Tehran. And Paris. And there's a bloke in Nepal who is a right wanker as well. Fuck them all in fact. And as for that prat at the local Chinese, I asked for a bastard 73....



Freak show.


Shit - I guess I sound all anti-sematic now. I'm not. All religions are fucked up IMO. Apart from Buddhism - but that's more of a philiosphy. I could be a Buddhist. I like pies.

Sorry to you religiousy types. But I just don't 'get it'.

I'm off to the 'Scottish thread' for pennance.

[Storm]

No need to go anywhere my old mate
Its KB, everyone has a opinion/arsehole, and thanks to the majesty of the internet, can freely express/expose it there for all to see.
Eat more pies my son, and become wise

[Indiana_Jones]

F*ck Iran, they're a bunch of wankers. For peaceful purposes my arse, even they say the UN is a bunch of sof cocks who don't do shit.

If the Yanks don't do it, the Jews will

-Indy

[Biff]

If the Yanks don't do it, the Jews will

-Indy

Now there's a man that squeaketh the truth.

[Winston001]

The US doesn't "care" about anything except its own interests. Since the fall of the USSR there is no check on how and where they extend military force, or how they bludgeon other countries economically, and they don't even bother using any excuse when cutting a nation off at the knees if they don't agree with US "foreign policy".

Now Jim, can't help feeling you've fallen for the trendy-liberal worldview here. May I ask:

1. Who is the major funder of the United Nations?

2. What self-interest caused US troops to peacekeep and die in that famous oil rich nation of Somalia?

3. Again, what self-interest led to US troops being bombed in Kenya? A nation of untold wealth and influence.

4. And again, why did US troops die in Lebanon which has yet to find any oil.

5. Why did US medics, troops etc die in Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo? I mean, these giant nations of international economics must have been critical to the US self-interest but.................I just can't find it.

Just curious. We don't get exposed to the real world much down south.

[Winston001]

[QUOTE=Hoon]You're not actually trying to argue that Bush IS intelligent?!? I think you've just lost all credibility right there!

QUOTE]

I guess it depends on how you measure intelligence. But never mind that. The fact is that journalists have driven the "intelligence" question, not American voters. In fact the average American doesn't have a problem with George at all - it is the news media looking for a hook for a story.

Here is an analysis of journalists articles about Bush - which show a strong bias on a non-issue.

Sources for Views on Bush's Intellect

Journalist 57%
Analysis 41
Opinion 16
Voter 4
Expert 6
Surrogate 10
Candidate 15
Other Media 7
Other 1

Total 100

http://www.journalism.org/resources/...telligence.asp

[Timber020]

Now Jim, can't help feeling you've fallen for the trendy-liberal worldview here. May I ask:

1. Who is the major funder of the United Nations?

Easy, the USA, although for there GDP they actually give much less than they are meant to.

2. What self-interest caused US troops to peacekeep and die in that famous oil rich nation of Somalia?

well it was lack of self interest that got them out of somalia faster than you can say "a skinny took my blackhawk" but they were there as part of the UN, like NZers were.

3. Again, what self-interest led to US troops being bombed in Kenya? A nation of untold wealth and influence.

Probably the same general self interest that motivated those of 911.

4. And again, why did US troops die in Lebanon which has yet to find any oil.

Yeah Lebanon is so far removed from the whole stability of the middle east thing, oh wait, thats right, any instability in the middle east threatens the political climate and oil prices. Especially if it happens to be near Israel, who would never want the US help in anything.......hey can I have a tui?

5. Why did US medics, troops etc die in Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo? I mean, these giant nations of international economics must have been critical to the US self-interest but.................I just can't find it.

Like most of the rest of the world, they dragged there feet for a while and then finally did some good there, thats a gold star for uncle sam.

Just curious. We don't get exposed to the real world much down south.

Nobody is saying that the US solely does everything for self interest, but its certainly not the champion of freedom that they and hollywood would like us to believe. Look what they did to england for helping them out during ww2, or all the dictatorships they have installed over democratically elected leaders.

[Marmoot]

...
And there's a bloke in Nepal who is a right wanker as well. .......

Motoracer?
He is here in Auckland, mate...... ....and....uh....being faster than you makes him a right wanker?

[gunnyrob]

Thank god the yanks won the cold war. can you imagine it if the Soviet Union, China or Iran were running things????

Buckets of instant sunshine all round, if that's what it takes to win!

[Biff]

Motoracer?

Nah, the guy I'm referring to just diddled my company out of $160K.And because he made me look a wanker, he's an even bigger wanker in my book.

However if Moto is Nepalise and has suddenly come into some serious cash, then yup, chance are he's is a wanker, and could you flick me his address please. But if you're calling Moto a wanker simply because he rides faster than me, then that accounts for 94.5% of the members here you've just called wankers.

Charming

[kickingzebra]

Mate, looking at Motoracers van and r6, if I had 160 k to give, he'd get it, cause I certainly don't think he stole it off you!!
That bloke is pretty damn quick on a bike!! And who gives a rip if hes Nepalese, at the drag and stunt day he marched straight up to me and said hello, started talking, cause he didn't recognise me. What a dude!!! No nuking of the Motoracer I say!!