Mental illness in New Zealand

[SARGE]

I agree with that but ask yourself why they smoke? could this help with stress levels an interesting question would be how many people that suffer with depression smoke.And if that is why you are going to have a smoke i will give you the $15 for the packet and i will sit in a room with you and not talk untill you are ready to talk back and if that takes 1,2 weeks i will do that as well.Also if someone you know is in a depressed state don't offer coffee as this is a natural depressent and can make them feel worse.Oh sorry this is Wendy.

i dont smoke to medicate Wendy.. i smoke, for no other reason than

" i like it .."

i drink coffee ( ALOT of coffee) because i like the taste..

same with beer , wine and spirits.


kind of a tangent of fthe original thread


party pills...

do you think that it is a good look teaching "Generation Overdraft" that if we want to have fun.. we pop a pill..

think we are going to have ALOT of addiction problems in the near future?

[Mrs Busa Pete]

party pills...
do you think that it is a good look teaching "Generation Overdraft" that if we want to have fun.. we pop a pill..

think we are going to have ALOT of addiction problems in the near future?

No party pills are going off the subject i'm not into anything that you just take to have a good time with.But if you are taking pills to help you cope with day to day life along with smoking because some people prefer to have a smoke than take antidepressants then we have to do what ever to survive. I did word that wrong because i do drink and i have tryed party pills once.

[SARGE]

No party pills are going off the subject i'm not into anything that you just take to have a good time with.But if you are taking pills to help you cope with day to day life along with smoking because some people prefer to have a smoke than take antidepressants then we have to do what ever to survive. I did word that wrong because i do drink and i have tryed party pills once.

I CATCH MY KIDS WITH ANY KIND OF "HERBAL-HIGH" AND THEY ARE GOING TO GET AN HERBAL FOOT IN THE ASS

[Mrs Busa Pete]

I CATCH MY KIDS WITH ANY KIND OF "HERBAL-HIGH" AND THEY ARE GOING TO GET AN HERBAL FOOT IN THE ASS

I am with you on that mind you these day your kids would lay a complaint with SIPS I think that is what thay are called these days.That is what my kids done when my x and i found out they where doing drugs and he slaped there asses .

[SixPackBack]

SIPS, School, T.V and society in general give children the idea that home is a democracy...Fuck that! its a totalitarian regime, parents are the evil rulers and any shit from the kids the household reverts to an Army camp.
Coupled with lots of love and support my household works well utilising this ideology.

[SARGE]

SIPS, School, T.V and society in general give children the idea that home is a democracy...Fuck that! its a totalitarian regime, parents are the evil rulers and any shit from the kids the household reverts to an Army camp.
Coupled with lots of love and support my household works well utilising this ideology.

man.. i owe you a coffee for that one ..

if kids are given freedom they will take it .. give them balance..

here is your freedom.. right to the end of this leash

you earn respect .. you get respect .. you earn slack.. you get slack..


show me that what i have taught you over the years has sunken in and i will give you free reign because i know you have the ability to make good choices.


when my old man left for Viet-Nam.. he left me a box.. told mom to give it to me in a year. nice heavyweight locked box.. man i did EVERYTHING to get into it .. i hit it with a hammer.. i dropped it off my house.. i ran over it with my bike...


finally got it open one day...

know what was in it???


THE FUCKING KEY!!!

[kickingzebra]

Kick in the ass before they do anything wrong, preemptive strike/herbal foot in the ass... I'm sold.

Cigarettes are a depressant depending on how you look at it, as is alcohol, sugary food, fatty food, heaps of protien (heaps!!), and polluted or dark atmospheres.

Although it has been said there is no such thing as toxic substances, only toxic amounts, therefore I would say, without the complication of Physically detectable mental disease, all things in moderation. (except kicks up the ass, they are good for you)

[Grahameeboy]

Weird.....this has gone from Mental Illness to Kids...........is that cause Kids drive parents mental??

I guess with my Daughter she doesn't have so much freedom so I do not have many of the normal problems....in an odd way it is not a negative......I just spoil her with love for the time I have her.......mind you I would not be any different otherwise as I am a big softy.......

[Phurrball]

Are we not starting to drift a little here? There are dozens of other threads in which to indulge that favourite hobby-horse of 'PC bashing'.

This is a really good thread full of worthwhile insight. Mental illness is such a complicated beast that what will work for one person will be of little benefit for another. Some people need a good wake-up call, some need to talk it out, and some may need temporary pharmacological support to help 'em through. One size does not fit all - a number of approaches often need to be tried before there is progress. This seems to be forgotten in the confusion that acute illness brings.

I agree that life incidents such as grief, sadness etc shouldn't be medicalised, the increasingly insular nature of society today can make it difficult to deal with these issues meaningfully...meaning these life-events can become a problem in their own right (when they shouldn't). Sadly, this status quo supports a whole branch of the pharmaceutical industry.

The medical profession is all too keen to dish out drugs, especially SSRI antidepressants...and they don't always take kindly if you're not a 'good little pill-swallower'. After all, this is the basis of 'toxic psychiatry' - does 'em up to the eyeballs, and slowly bring down the level to create a compliant zombie that displays some function. Oh, and how about that 'Mental Helath (Compulsory treatment and assessment) Act'. Some pretty draconian powers there that people are only too happy to wield.

Don't get me wrong, SSRIs and banging people up in the 'madhouse' have their place, but they're pretty nasty, and their place should be *much* smaller. (Been there, done that)

[vifferman]

I was going to offer some thoughts here, and personal experience, but after reading some of the bollocks posted about "just get over yourself" , "toughen up", and the like, I think I'd be opening myself up to things I'd rather not. There's a fair amount of judging, and people extrapolating from personal experience not relevant to other people's lives, and others who are just pulling stuff out of their arses, with no basis in fact or reality.



How many of you 'experts' have lost relatives to suicide, or spent hours and hours up at the hospital after a loved one's suicide attempt?

How many of you have real mental illnesses and know the anguish of trying to cope with it?

Opinions are like arseholes.

[Grahameeboy]

I was going to offer some thoughts here, and personal experience, but after reading some of the bollocks posted about "just get over yourself" , "toughen up", and the like, I think I'd be opening myself up to things I'd rather not. There's a fair amount of judging, and people extrapolating from personal experience not relevant to other people's lives, and others who are just pulling stuff out of their arses, with no basis in fact or reality.



How many of you 'experts' have lost relatives to suicide, or spent hours and hours up at the hospital after a loved one's suicide attempt?

How many of you have real mental illnesses and know the anguish of trying to cope with it?

Opinions are like arseholes.

Fair call..................

[SARGE]

Weird.....this has gone from Mental Illness to Kids...........is that cause Kids drive parents mental??

I guess with my Daughter she doesn't have so much freedom so I do not have many of the normal problems....in an odd way it is not a negative......I just spoil her with love for the time I have her.......mind you I would not be any different otherwise as I am a big softy.......

it went from mental illness to kids because thats when they start.. mindy gets told by her drunk dad that shes fat and stupid, she takes it to heart and becomes a sex addict with bulimia

not too far a jump at that age..kids are all very imppressionable and it dont take much to show them whats right and wrong..

[Paul in NZ]

I was going to offer some thoughts here, and personal experience, but after reading some of the bollocks posted about "just get over yourself" , "toughen up", and the like, I think I'd be opening myself up to things I'd rather not. There's a fair amount of judging, and people extrapolating from personal experience not relevant to other people's lives, and others who are just pulling stuff out of their arses, with no basis in fact or reality.



How many of you 'experts' have lost relatives to suicide, or spent hours and hours up at the hospital after a loved one's suicide attempt?

How many of you have real mental illnesses and know the anguish of trying to cope with it?

Opinions are like arseholes.

Yup - Good call, been thinking about that myself. Simplistic answers work for simple problems but this topic may just be quite complex!

The other side (and the one sarge etc is getting at I think) is that complex solutions are MOT required to quite simple conditions.

Your mental health is a spectrum. The question is, how far up and down that spectrum do you go before you need a complex solution?

I personally have friends that NEED drugs to keep them functional. I've seen them without these drugs and trust me, they need em and all the other help they can get besides! However, people with relatively simple everyday emotions are often diagnosed with an illness when in actual fact the illness is called life!

I don't know - nothings ever easy is it?

Paul N

[SARGE]

The other side (and the one sarge etc is getting at I think) is that complex solutions are MOT required to quite simple conditions.

Your mental health is a spectrum. The question is, how far up and down that spectrum do you go before you need a complex solution?



However, people with relatively simple everyday emotions are often diagnosed with an illness when in actual fact the illness is called life!

I don't know - nothings ever easy is it?

Paul N

thats what im getting at Paul..i think we tend to move to the Victim Mentality.. our parents didnt need all the Prozac to normal them out..we've become a puppet of the drug companies is all...


dont buy it..

[vifferman]

Simplistic answers work for simple problems but this topic may just be quite complex!

Indeed. The brain is a very complex and intricately balanced organ, and affected by all sorts of things, from attitude, diet, chemicals, exercise, sleep, etc. etc.

The other side (and the one sarge etc is getting at I think) is that complex solutions are MOT required to quite simple conditions.

Granted.
Situational depression or a poor attitude may be 'fixed' by the right word(s) or actions from the right person, or something such as an unfortunate incident that acts as a catalyst for change. In such cases, medication (for example) may be inappropriate and no more effective than a placebo, or may in fact complicate the situation and make things worse.

Your mental health is a spectrum. The question is, how far up and down that spectrum do you go before you need a complex solution?
I personally have friends that NEED drugs to keep them functional. I've seen them without these drugs and trust me, they need em and all the other help they can get besides! However, people with relatively simple everyday emotions are often diagnosed with an illness when in actual fact the illness is called life!

It is, as you say, a spectrum.
I may have over-reacted in my last post, but if highly-trained and experienced health professionals can't always get it right (even after LOTS of money has been put into their BMW account), unqualified and inexperienced meddlers (no matter how well-meaning or sincere) really run the risk of fucking things up with the wrong advice or comment at the wrong time.