Beginners' guide to runners

**skelstar** · 19th April 2006, 10:43

Would like to echo Dafe's sentiments about you being a good guy, but Im not struggling to understand you MB. Everyone has to be someone/something on this forum...youve decided that you are the 'runner' and promote yourself as being such. It would be naive to think that this thread is not self-promotion.

I think that your post was misinterpreted by many but I also have trouble understanding the purpose of it. If it was to warn non-runners of the risks of doing a runner, then the post would only be half the length. Quite frankly I think it glamourises (sp?) runners for all those young newbie riders that are perhaps looking for their own riding identity. I thank god (not really) that senior/experienced members have responded with their condemnation.

In the begining I used to think doing runners were 'cool', but now quite frankly, I do not.

**mikey** · 19th April 2006, 10:49

Originally Posted by White trash

Absolutely no threat to anyone else but yourself stepping off a bike in a wheelie gone wrong in the middle of a motorway. I know, I've done it.

FUKN OATS MAN
skin grows back but my levi's didnt.
did yours?

**cowpoos** · 19th April 2006, 10:55

Originally Posted by madboy

I was hoping my post could be read for what it was, which was an analytical approach to runners. It was never intended to be a post saying "I'm so cool, let's all hold hands and do a runner", there were no comments about how quick a rider I am, nor about suggesting people go do runners. On the contrary, I felt it was fairly balanced and presented some good reasons why not. I am sorry that some have misinterpreted it. But if some young twat on a bike fancies his ZZR250 against the 5-0, I'd rather they went into it with their eyes open understanding the consequences, rather than reading many of my (and others) more flippant posts that have painted runners thru more rosey lenses.

Dafe, I am disappointed that you may be one who has misinterpreted my post. For your opinion is one of the few on this site that I do value, mainly because you're one of the few people here that I know and actually like as a real person in real life. You won't see me doing dodgy stuff on a ride with you, or on particular group rides. Why do you think I buggered off and left you alone the other day? Why do you think I went out on a ride on my own in the first place? Given recent events, and knowing your views, the back end might have been more alpha-numerical.

You ask why the plate if I'm struggling to keep up with the hardcore? Well before I answer that, ask yourself why I struggle to keep up with the hardcore. Could it be because I ride to MY limits, which are way below my bike's. Is that a bad thing? Should I go and get some more track time so I can get my knee down chasing some of the fellas here over the takas? What sort of margin for error does that leave? Or perhaps I should work on my wheelies? Cos hey, it's okay to send the bike into the armco on a tight twisty section of SH2, or slide it down the mway from a wheelie gone bad, just so long as you're one of the chosen few. But you're a cock smoker if you wind it up in a straight line, and God help you if you pass a group ride in the process. Or should I ride slower, not practice wheelies or knee down shit in public, knowing that really if push came to shove there was something left in reserve if the unthinkable did happen? Running from the cops isn't a test of outright riding ability - hell no, otherwise there's a few posters here who would be immune to the law.

Plates - there are two ways to avoid people reading plates. One is go blindingly fast, and the other is to disguise/remove it. Going blindingly fast isn't my first choice.

Time and place. Yep, I've made a couple of bad judgements over the years. And I've paid for some them. But some here might just like to think carefully about how perfect they are before mud gets flung.

Bullshit is was a analytical thread about runners....its a ego induced speel about your suposed runners and how you think your a urban ledgend...

running from the cop's is done by some people....they pick there time and place....make a desicion at the time....same with wheelies on the motorway...riding fast on backroads...there's a time and a place...
these people don't brag about it...they don't involve other people in these activities by screaming passed learner groups at 230kmph...[which I'm sure is only to get attention] and coming out in group rides with out plates on...all the while your attracting cops to come looking for you...and when you see them you bait them... why do you do it? what is the pay off your getting out of it... coz to be frank it quite childish...and what do you think the people on the group rides think of you...well...some are embaressed by how you act....some get fucked off with you [alot acctually]...and some of the kinder souls pitty that fact that some time soon your number will be up....and I'm not talking about getting caught [I'm gunna fell like a cock for writing that when if it happens]....and thats a shame....really it is....as dafe says your not a bad person to talk to and shit....you also hav a partner and child you don't seem to think about either?

I've said enough...

**The_Dover** · 19th April 2006, 10:59

and you ride a kawasaki therefore you are certifiably gay.

**madboy** · 19th April 2006, 12:04

Originally Posted by The_Dover

and you ride a kawasaki therefore you are certifiably gay.

I know. Perhaps if I bought a suzuki like everyone else I'd change my views and suddenly become a nicer more well rounded member of society.

Fellas - look, I make no bones about what's happened in the past. Views on that have been expressed both publicly and privately. Few here have never done something they woke up the next morning wondering why. The views that matter to me have been taken on board. It is a shame that I have become known as a one dimensional character online, and it seems a few offline share that view too, but then I made the bed in that respect, so I live with the consequences. Those I do want to ride with, I respect their views and I do ensure that my behaviour when out with them is appropriate. Regrettably there will be times when I will encounter them while I am co-incidentally on the same piece of road they are on.

I would write more, but I have to be somewhere. Love you longtime.

**hunt** · 19th April 2006, 12:09

well written first post, some of the comments seem a bit harsh,
the world would be a safer place if everyone rode British

**Blackbird** · 19th April 2006, 13:35

To me, Bykey Cop's statement of "If you run, be prepared to die" is the most telling statement of the lot. I seriously doubt that there is anything resembling a "controlled" runner. It therefore puts both you and other members of the motoring public at risk, not to mention the consequences for friends and family.

I speak from direct experience, having run a few years ago out in the countryside. My riding turned to crap, putting myself at risk and had anyone else been about, I would have been a risk to them too. Madboy made a valid point that the decision to run is made in a matter of seconds. It is therefore ill-considered as it's impossible to weigh up the risks in this time, irrespective of the rights and wrongs of running. My decision was definitely in this category. I got away with it and was shaking so badly when I finally stopped that I almost dropped the bike. It was the dumbest thing I've ever done and it won't ever happen again. I still feel bad about it.

Some people are clearly offended by the post but I regarded the discussion as a powerful deterrent.

**madboy** · 19th April 2006, 13:43

Skels - what prompted the post was private requests from several people for advice on runners recently. What concerned me was that I had been fairly vocal in support of runners in the past. Let's face it, how many times have I said or intimated stuff the 5-0, runners always work and bugger stopping, run?! However usually in the limited time you have to respond to someone you don't always get the full story across. And it's often the little details that count. Many people on here probably have the quite incorrect view that I never run a plate, speed everywhere, and run from every cop I see! It's true that I've never been stopped. Of course I've met good cops. Of course I've had cops flash their lights or wave a finger when they could have busted me instead. But fact is I've never been asked to stop when I've been tootling through a residential area, or when it was raining, or when I was 2up, or when it was "after school" or any one of a hundred other reasons that would stop me from trying it on. One day that'll happen, and I'll gladly post that I got lectured and fined for 65k in a 50, rather that quiet insinuations that I did a mint runner at 200k past my daughters school in the wet with the missus on the back and some knob was trying it on in his overweight patrol car, and I saved myself $80 and 20 demerits in the process. It's not like I'm that hard up for cash or spare points (no - none of you bastards can borrow my clean slate!)

What I was hoping to convey was the full thought process that goes into a runner (or a non-runner) before you end up with the simple statement of "yeah, pig came over the rise, looked at my speedo, 160, nah, later fella."

I want people to think, okay so the cops can do this, the cops can do that. They can really spike me? Holy shit. What, you mean I might have to run a red light, or go into oncoming traffic - and they'll still chase me? Okay, well that's getting a bit serious, not for me thanks I'll take my beans on the side of the road. I don't want someone putting the hammer down thinking Madboy said "Nah, later fella." and magically he ended up at home, chugging a beer, getting a blow job as he checked out his chiselled features in the mirror. Then they realised that instead they were travelling at 200k into their own residential neighbourhood, and waking up in hospital cursing Madboy cos he said it was easy. Well it is friggin easy if luck's on your side. But you have to decide when you're feeling lucky. If it's not on your side, it's friggin expensive and potentially friggin painful.

Yep, I note what some senior members have said here and privately. It is an unwritten rule that you don't post about runners. Damn, another rule I've broken. Call the PC police.

**Bangbug** · 19th April 2006, 14:04

At least it is a nice active post madboy

**Paul in NZ** · 19th April 2006, 15:03

This will stop you doing runners

**kickingzebra** · 19th April 2006, 16:15

Cops would probably stand more chance of catching our recidivist speeders on 1933 harleys, than those POS beemers... What a mock they are, but thats another story...

**madboy** · 19th April 2006, 16:18

Originally Posted by kickingzebra

Cops would probably stand more chance of catching our recidivist speeders on 1933 harleys, than those POS beemers... What a mock they are, but thats another story...

Unless it's WT on the beemer, then you're farked. Hopefully he won't join the dark side. Imagine high chairs in the police college carpark.

**kickingzebra** · 19th April 2006, 16:30

Talked to some of the boys when they were trialling them, handling comfort and economy in general, the ST had the contract, everything going the way of the ST (Which makes more sense for my taxpayers pocket) and then the shipment of Beemers turns up... I'll bet some middling beaurocrat got a mint sweet deal on a nice new 7 series out of that deal.

I deal with awarding contracts, so am slightly cynical when the guys who get to sit in the seats say one thing, and the guy with the chequebook does another.

**ferretface** · 19th April 2006, 16:33

Originally Posted by White trash

Sorry. How's the womans family who got killed when her car was hit by some wanker on a the Triumph failing to stop going to feel about "runners"?

Or the four year old girl killed when a car carreered through a forecourt of a service station. Funny. Seem to remember that being chased by the cops too.

Any WANKER that raves on about how cool he is coz he baits cops and paints his bike so he can be "Ghost riders" wannabe, is just that. A wanker and a wannabe. I have "failed to stop". I don't post about how cool I was for doing it. I certainly didn't bait cops into chasing me, then after they stopped a heap of my "mates" brush it off with a "Sorry, wont happen again" then post this fucken dribble.

I'll take a BMW R1150. You take your ghost rider/try hard Kumandsukme and I'll challenge you on any road/track when suits you. It's neither big nor clever. You ever hurt anyone I know, you better be in a pretty bad state yourself.

(For the record) I couldn't care less who does/doesn't stop for the cops. It's your choice. People that want to wank on about how cool it is give me the shits and deserve the time of day.

I hope that anyone slating this guy's post has never watched a 'Ghostrider' DVD or the like as that would just be hypocritical :spudwhat: