Self-inflicted death

[vifferman]

- I don't understand why any one would feel compelled to end it all.

Because life just seems so grim, and there is no hope for the future. Hope (and looking forward to things) is what keeps us going. If you can't see things getting any better, and there is a real likelihood of them getting worse, it can become an overwhelming burden.
For me, I am constrained by love: I know several people (including my uncle and maybe my grandfather) who killed themselves, and love my family too much to inflict that pain on them. But... there are times that I feel like I'm too much of a burden to them and not being here would be easier on them once they'd got through the grieving process.

[yungatart]

Sadly noone ever knows how much they really were loved until they die. then its too late.

I guess we just have to make sure that the people we love know we love them.
hXc's mate had a huge funeral and his mates did him proud at his final send off, but you could have cut the air with a knife - the grief was almost palpable!
It was my only experience with suicide. I never want to repeat it.

[Str8 Jacket]

I guess we just have to make sure that the people we love know we love them.hXc's mate had a huge funeral and his mates did him proud at his final send off, but you could have cut the air with a knife - the grief was almost palpable!
It was my only experience with suicide. I never want to repeat it.

Yes! All you can do for a mate going through hard time is just be there mate. Let them know you are there mate and you do care, I choose to believe that even that tiny glimmer of hope will be enough to help coax someone out of their depression. I just wish it really was that black and white, cause in my experience those that want to die, they'll just do it and they wont tell anyone.

My mates funeral a couple of years ago was the most gut wrenching experience of my life, this guy was POPULAR and I maean really popular, he was the class clown and everyone loved him. You never saw him without a smile and he always made you laugh. No one saw his depression, it hurts to think how long he was holding all that hurt in for without telling anyone. HIs funeral packed the church and the surrounding carpark, it was huge. Made me so sad.

[scumdog]

Dunno.
One of my kids (two suicide attempts) is so into computer games, he says he'll just "re-spawn" after he kills himself.

Tell him if he does 're-spawn' he has no choice as to what form he comes back as he, may come back as a sandfly - and not know he was ever anything else. (and sandflys are shit when it comes to computer games).

[mikey]

I wonder if younger ones really realise death is , like, forever and ever?? No 'replay'? A very thought provoking thread but there are no solutions or 'cure-all' answers.

It claims people from all sections of society and there is no common theme, some 'notes' left with the reason for the suicide make you think 'is that all?' but I guess at that time and in THAT persons life they had an insurmountable problem that was making life to miserable for them - and all they could see was this big black wall on front of them.

its a relatively simple concept, actual suicide, not the 15yr old girl attn seeking/cry for help "attempts".....

its the beauty of the beast, it doesnt affect you when your dead!!!!!

an if someone wants to depart this world, they got every right to,
nothing beats being stuck in a place you dont like.

an the suicidee was going to die at some point in life anyway, just choose there own time, an the clean up crew get paid by helen, if they dont like cleaning up after dcead people they should get anohter job!

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[Coyote]

Well I spent ages writing a response to this thread. It would span across 3 posts I'm pretty sure so I've attached it as a word document to those who want to read it. I've said what's happened to me to make me so depressed and how I feel about it. Since I haven't killed myself it isn't necessarily and accurate depiction of what goes through the mind of a suicidal person, but some of you may be interested. It's not going to be a big help to read it, I just felt like writing it down.

Basically, many of you will never be able to understand why someone would kill themselves. You’re lucky. You’re able to either look at the bright side or get over it. But it’s like my mind isn’t wired in such a way. I’ll dwell on awful thoughts and think of all the cons. You can't just say one nice thing to a depressed person and expect them to be happier; they'll have some thought around that that makes them feel like shit.

Anyway, I've written enough for one day, I'm going to get some lunch

[Fishy]

I have a friend who suffers from depression and is definitely at risk of suicide. He has been in and out of the mental health unit in Middlemore and Monachy House...the problem is though when he goes in there he tells them he is fine and lies about taking his meds so they let him out thinking he is ok. He gets one follow up visit where he just lies to them as well and says he is fine. Then its back to square one again...this has been going on for about 3 years now and most people have given up on him.

He just doesn't want to help himself so it makes it hard for me and others to be able to help him.

I just don't know what to do but I am at this moment quite worried about him.

[scumdog]

Sadly noone ever knows how much they really were loved until they die. then its too late.

Yep, some younger ones have a "I'll show them" mentallity, the trouble is that when they're dead they will never know - life has gone, zip, nadda, no more, no second chance......

Stay around guy, talk to a close friend - and discuss how to change the situation that got you into the 'black' state of mind you're in right now.

Above all else, DON'T bottle it all up.

[Str8 Jacket]

Stay aroun guy, talk to close friend - and dicuss how to change the situation that got you into the 'black' state of mind you're in right now.

Man, I wish it were that simple. From my own experience you hate yourself so much that you dont want to live anymore, you dont want to talk to anyone. You just want to die.

[Rosie]

I guess we just have to make sure that the people we love know we love them.

A friend killed himself when I was 16, I remember my mum saying how devistating it must have been for Glen's parents, because you are always proud of your kids, no matter what happens, and always love them so much. And I was surprised that even though we always seemed to be fighting and mum would threaten to send me to boarding school to get rid of me, my parents really did love me, and were proud of me, even if they didn't always say so.

It was a really hard time for me, but it was also very special, because mum and dad took more time out to show me that they cared, rather than us just yelling at each other because we were tired and stressed after a long day at school/work.

[Joni]

Basically, many of you will never be able to understand why someone would kill themselves. You’re lucky. You’re able to either look at the bright side or get over it. But it’s like my mind isn’t wired in such a way. I’ll dwell on awful thoughts and think of all the cons. You can't just say one nice thing to a depressed person and expect them to be happier; they'll have some thought around that that makes them feel like shit.

Damn well put there Alarumba.

I have a close family member, or should that be "had" a close family member who took his own life. He had attempted to before and we took him through all the normal precesses of councelling and treatment. However, he knew what he wanted and that was not to be here anymore... and eventually he did suceed in his quest.

The results of that action on the people left behind are devastating at times. The pain in my father knocked me for a huge loop for a very long time. Not good to see a person you love , cry so much.

Its a tough subject, that many people will have different views on, but at the end of the day its a serious problem that is very real in our world.

[HDTboy]

All of you who know me now will have a hard time believing this, but I wasn't always the optimistic cheery fellow I am now.

During my fourth form year I was going through a tough patch. My parents had recently broken up, I'd started at a new school where I didn't know anyone, and was copping all sorts of greif from the "cool" kids who even now I feel very dark about.

I'm not sure now how serious I was, but at the time I was contemplating hanging myself. The only thing which stopped me doing it on one particular night was the thought that my (then 3 year old) brother would have to deal with something he never understood and would never remember me, that and I'd never get to see him grow up.

Even now I hold a very special place in my heart for my little brother saving my life without knowing he did

[scumdog]

During my fourth form year I was going through a tough patch. My parents had recently broken up, I'd started at a new school where I didn't know anyone, and was copping all sorts of greif from the "cool" kids who even now I feel very dark about

Amazing how many of those 'cool' kids (who told them they were 'cool' anyway) turn out to be loser arseholes when they get older - but cause so much grief and torment when they're the 'cool gang' at school.

I guess for a short span of time they have some sort of 'power'....

[Sniper]

Very good points made there, but I lost a very very good friend by suicide a couple of months ago. I kept very quiet as its something you deal with in your own rights, but this guy would have been the last person in the world to do this.

I don't doubt you can identify certain individuals who are likely candidates for suicide, but I doubt most can be ID. Unfortunatly once in the frame of mind, its hard to get them out of it.

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[HDTboy]

So true SD, I think they're still permanently stoned