Water for fuel!!!

[OMG]

That'd be heavy water you have in mind (H2O2) and I ain't drinkin' it!

It's hard to buy too, and Metrowater are out of it - go figure

Bastards, sounds like a conspiracy to me

[Hitcher]

I'm not too sure if I want my Pajero running on lard...

As a mechanisation student at Massey University about 30 years ago we had a tractor that ran just fine on tallow. A bit more smoke and a funnier smell than diesel. And you had to remember to start up and shut down on tallow, otherwise the tallow would set in fuel lines, pumps and injectors. We had an electric heater under the tallow tank to keep it liquid. Lovely.

Problem 1: There is not enough tallow to power every diesel engine in New Zealand. It's the same go for vegetable fats and oils.

Problem 2: Growing crops for biofuels requires a significant -- and I mean HUGE -- area of new land to be planted for crops. This will inevitably require the cultivation of large amounts of marginal land and also put pressure of scarce water supplies for irrigation. New Zealand and the world generally needs more marginal land to be retired from farming, rather than new areas added.

Problem 3. Manufacturing biofuels requires large amounts of energy -- to plant, harvest, transport and process the plant materials. For some fuels e.g. rape oil, more energy is required to manufacture the fuel than is delivered by the fuel. Very clever.

[thehollowmen]

What we need is a catalyst that takes nitrogen and carbon dioxide from the air, and a bit of our water fuel is added to the mix so we afixe a nitrogen, a carbon and a hydrogen together... and leaves pure oxygen and this "green organic waste gas" for us to breathe...

Someone really needs to propose that to the greens :-D


for those of you who don't know, HCN is hydrogen cyanide

[thehollowmen]

That'd be heavy water you have in mind (H2O2) and I ain't drinkin' it!

It's hard to buy too, and Metrowater are out of it - go figure

H2O2 isn't heavy water.
Heavy water is water where a hydrogen has an extra neutron, hence it is heavier. There is a little bit of this hydrogen present in all the water we drink and it is perfectly safe.

H2O2 on the other hand is hydrogen peroxide.

[Colapop]

Sorry mate my monitor isn't displaying the last 11 words of your post. I'm very interested so far...

How did ya know there were 11 more words in his post?

Is heavy water actually heavier than water? I mean hydrogen doesn't weigh that much does it?

If there is heavy water, is there heavy air?

Does the light in the fridge really go out when you close the door? If it does then how does it get out - the door is closed...

That's all for now...

[nodrog:Me]

I'd rather follow a biofuel diesel than a regular diesel (yes fuel is organic, you know what im saying), instead you can smell mexican food or shark and taties instead of COUGH COUGH F**KING DIESEL! of course i am talking about being in a car, i follow nothing on the bike, lol.
But i think ethanol would be great for nz. just like brazil. im sure they have lots of sporty hot chicks playing on the beach cuz they have ethanol for fuel, nothing to do with anything else, cause and effect i say.
who are you?
F**K of out of it,
YOU DON"T KNOW!
Uh erm........
But NZ govt loves its taxes, democracy doesn't work, the sun doesn't shine it just reflects my greatness, you're all sick, i once new a guy who had a rover, he bent over, now hes buried in the ground like a dead chicken and the starch from his collar is making him itch!!!!!!
Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

i'll have what hes having!

[slimjim]

yup even harder to relight your smoke if you happen to drop it in the tank

[Winston001]

Problem 3. Manufacturing biofuels requires large amounts of energy -- to plant, harvest, transport and process the plant materials. For some fuels e.g. rape oil, more energy is required to manufacture the fuel than is delivered by the fuel. Very clever.

To be fair, this point is debateable now. There are studies which show 120% energy from bio-fuel so there is a 20% gain. Doesn't really compare with the 1500% gain from drilling for oil.

Brazil manages a methanol fuel system but there are tax subsidies and all sorts of land use problems.

Low temp fusion would be nice but - it doesn't exist yet. Even atomic bombs need a pretty high temp to achieve fusion.

As for the much vaunted hydrogen economy - don't hold your breath. Our grandchildren might see it. You think we have OSH problems now? Wait until we try to transport and tank hydrogen. It's an OSH wet dream.

Hydrogen is the lightest and most volatile of all gases. Its damned hard to compress, loves to get free, and burns like 40 bastards. Just try to picture a society with little bombs fuelling cars, passing big bombs in tankers, on their way to the really serious bombs at the service stations.

Oh it'll get done eventually but who knows, there might be other better ideas. That compressed air car sounds fascinating. http://www.theaircar.com/howitworks.html

[scumdog]

Think I'll look up whatever happened to a guy called Smokey Yunick in the States. BAck in the late 60's, early 70's he was doing amazing things with Buick V6's and compound turbochargeing getting impressive fuel economy.

Heard of him? I met him in the US in 1981.
A very crafty bugger and 'expander' of rules regarding racing was our Mr Yunick.

[Pixie]

rape seed (flax) oil was seen as the ideal alternative diesel fuel....

Minor correction:
Rape seed oil is Canola.The Canadian producers didn't like the word rape,so they came up with canola (canadian oil)
Flax seed oil is linseed oil.Linus= latin for flax,we also get linen,which is made from flax fibre and linoleum which is made from the oil.

[Pixie]

H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide.
Heavy water is Di-Deuterium oxide,still H20.
I'm not going to explain the difference between the isotopes of hydrgen (hydrogen,deuterium and tritium)

What the fuck do they teach in schools these days?Bead weaving and sandal making?

[Pixie]

A bit more smoke and a funnier smell than diesel.

Maybe it ran hotter and produced more nitrous oxide

[Pixie]

What we need is a catalyst that takes nitrogen and carbon dioxide from the air, and a bit of our water fuel is added to the mix so we afixe a nitrogen, a carbon and a hydrogen together... and leaves pure oxygen and this "green organic waste gas" for us to breathe...

Someone really needs to propose that to the greens :-D


for those of you who don't know, HCN is hydrogen cyanide

Ha Ha
Sounds like foliage to me

[slimjim]

well another thought too, is if the lakes keep getting so foul and polluted then i reckon we would just need to take a bucket to rotorua and pour it straight into our bike tank and she run like it was on avgas

[kro]

I'd be happy to try any alternative fuel, to prove that the rising petrol prices are pure profiteering. I'm a veangeful sod who likes seeing people get their come-uppance.

Did anyone see that thing on TV a few weeks back about the oil sands in Canada?, if they can find a cheap way to harvest it, the yanks will have to quit with the Canada jokes is all I can say.

"The worlds single largest deposit of Oil"
http://www.oilsandsdiscovery.com/