Water for fuel!!!

**slimjim** · 21st April 2006, 07:29

christ hope that bugger on tv isn't full of shit, cause i'll

on the pick!!
bloody price of gas going up ,we'll need to use something other than oil,and the way globeable warming is happening,there's going to be heaps of spare water

**Pwalo** · 21st April 2006, 08:23

Don't worry mate. No one knows how much oil there is available in the world, let alone how much is left. (And can you tell me how oil is really produced in the ground?).

Global warming? Yes and no. Very much depends on who you want to believe, but most research at this stage seems to be on computer modelling. We still can't predict the weather for a week ahead, but we can for a century or so?

At this stage I think I'll just worry about getting the boys through their education and paying the food bills. (Oh and the petrol!!).

**Colapop** · 21st April 2006, 08:45

Water as fuel has been around for ages. It's seperating the oxygen and hydrogen that's the issue. Best bet is to lock up the local takeaway bar into a deal that lets you get their frying oil off them. Convert it into biodiesel and your away. Or make a still and brew up some methanol/ethanol (Not sure whisch is which - oops sorry been dsrinking a bit of it!)

**slimjim** · 21st April 2006, 08:50

Originally Posted by Colapop

Water as fuel has been around for ages. It's seperating the oxygen and hydrogen that's the issue. Best bet is to lock up the local takeaway bar into a deal that lets you get their frying oil off them. Convert it into biodiesel and your away. Or make a still and brew up some methanol/ethanol (Not sure whisch is which - oops sorry been dsrinking a bit of it!)

yea bro, but then the bloody goverment want taxes off it

**Hitcher** · 21st April 2006, 09:21

I live by the adage that if something sounds too good to be true, then it generally is. Water used to power internal combustion engines through the addition of a device that looks like a baked bean tin definitely meets this criterion.

And as for "biofuels", don't get me started. I am appalled that the New Zealand Government has been suckered into this by the hand-knitted hemp underwear-wearing tree huggers.

**The Pastor** · 21st April 2006, 09:27

Im not up with the play on biofuels or water power or what not - but if an engine is made to run on a fuel that is very abundent (will never happen as long as the oil companys run the economy) im all for that, why? NO MORE TAX! If I could run my bike on water (i.e rain) I would do it just to spite the government. If you add up all the tax you pay its between 40-80% of your income, its nuts.

**slimjim** · 21st April 2006, 09:37

yup agree there,shit i was given the old shaving leather strap, only did it once, learnt that way quick,haha,, but my nine old say's dad you could tell on your mum,, O IF SHE KNEW IF ONLY I COULD,,Haha, get a belt from DAD for telling tales,,

**Finn** · 21st April 2006, 09:37

Originally Posted by Pwalo

Don't worry mate. No one knows how much oil there is available in the world, let alone how much is left. (And can you tell me how oil is really produced in the ground?).

Global warming? Yes and no. Very much depends on who you want to believe, but most research at this stage seems to be on computer modelling. We still can't predict the weather for a week ahead, but we can for a century or so?

At this stage I think I'll just worry about getting the boys through their education and paying the food bills. (Oh and the petrol!!).

Top of the class for you. Good to meet a thinking person on KB.

I'm a facts person myself. When I see something, I believe it. Until then it's all speculation. The petrol price is a worry for inflation but it's not slowing down the sales of V8 SUV's. Although, to keep my balance sheet looking good I'll have to fire someone to pay for the increase in fuel costs for the company. I'm just waiting for someone to look at me funny today.

**ManDownUnder** · 21st April 2006, 09:41

Originally Posted by Hitcher

And as for "biofuels", don't get me started. I am appalled that the New Zealand Government has been suckered into this by the hand-knitted hemp underwear-wearing tree huggers.

Hey hitch - tell you what - get in touch in 6 months on this one...ONE of us will be able to say "I told you so"... I'm lookin' forward to 60c/litre myself...

**Finn** · 21st April 2006, 09:42

Originally Posted by Hitcher

I live by the adage that if something sounds too good to be true, then it generally is. Water used to power internal combustion engines through the addition of a device that looks like a baked bean tin definitely meets this criterion.

And as for "biofuels", don't get me started. I am appalled that the New Zealand Government has been suckered into this by the hand-knitted hemp underwear-wearing tree huggers.

Regarding your first statement, they were saying that about the horseless carriage and moving pictures too. There was also a time when people said "Liberachi gay? NEVER!!!"

As for your second statement, couldn't agree more.

I'm beginning to warm to you Bitcher.

**ManDownUnder** · 21st April 2006, 09:45

Originally Posted by renegade master

Im not up with the play on biofuels or water power or what not - but if an engine is made to run on a fuel that is very abundent (will never happen as long as the oil companys run the economy) im all for that, why? NO MORE TAX!

Only one problem with the water for fuel thing - in it's simplest form that argument go like this.

You can't create or destroy energy
You use energy to slpit the water (a)
You get energy back from burning the gases from the split water (b - which in a perfect system = a).
You use energy to move the car
You lose energy as heat from the car

So even if you got 100% of the energy back from the split water, you have to use it all again to split the next lot. None left to push or heat...

DOH!

So the question THEN becomes - where does the extra energy come from?

Lots of answers to that one - this is just a starter for 10...

**Finn** · 21st April 2006, 09:45

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Hey hitch - tell you what - get in touch in 6 months on this one...ONE of us will be able to say "I told you so"... I'm lookin' forward to 60c/litre myself...

You can just hear the hands rubbing together with glee at Metrowater...