Bears Winter Series R1

[dangerous]

you would if you weren't slow as fuck

You learn to ride fast

Well... regardless of what you and J think, I believe me to be as good/fast a rider as you. eg: 350LC race... eg: race #3 yesterday, you were on a FXR powered bike, I was on the 26yr old 125... I was gaining on you and at one point our wheels crossed. so keep pouring the shit out... you know I have an answer for every thing <---- I believe in giving mates smiles n winks not the 'finger' all the time (but then I am a gay fuker)

Thats right it is, they're eligible end of story

yes I know that you keep reminding me... as I said IMHO owners of these bike can do what they like, good on em... I don't feel the need for any restrictions to be put on them... but if a trophy is all they want then I would sooner have some fun with a group of riders out the back somewere, than be out front playing with myself (I can do that at home)

[gav]

How about introducing 80cc MX bikes into the mix? Maybe air cooled to start with?

[Kickaha]

y but if a trophy is all they want then I would sooner have some fun with a group of riders out the back somewere, than be out front playing with myself (I can do that at home)

Pull your head out of your arse, if we wanted trophies we'd ride hot two strokes

[gav]

RE the FXR's, arent they running in the production class? Arent they eligible? Last I saw looked like a two stroke at front of the field. Is Tony Mac really any faster than when he was on his CB? Same for Kick, not sure he's lapping that much faster than his old GN? Glen Hayward looked to be running at the front? Even K14 showed at Levels whats capable of an old shitter. Bit soft the young pup didnt come up for this race meet, must be getting soft....
The only real concern is when someone starts throwing a shedload of money at a FXR, how about slicing one end off a GSXR600, use one cylinder, head, water cooled, fuel injection, be an easy 30hp straight off...anyone? Ivan?

[TonyB]

Gee you're starting to sound like dangerous, are all the riders up there fucking pansy arse whingers.

Yep, looks like it eh.
As for this FXR shit- the Bucket AGM yesterday was a bit of an eye opener for me. Buckets for me are just a bit of fun- the chance to race with others on similar bikes for next to nothing. Some others take it a whole lot more seriously- not that I have a problems with that at all, but it seems that bucket racing means different things to different people. Personally I don't have a problem with FXR's, the admittedly VERY loose rules allow for them, and we can't keep racing bikes from the 70's and 80's indefinitely, and yes I say that despite being able to sell engine parts for said old bikes.

My two cents? This is going to sound like sour grapes, but please believe me when I say its not. I am at the tail end of the feild because of riding ability, nothing else. If people really do take buckets this seriously then the rules need to be tightened up. The rules allow for this, so again I have no problem with the people who are acting entirely within the rules, but how can you expect to have closely contested FAIR racing when 1970's commuter bikes on 18" treaded tyres are up against purpose built specials and actual honest-to-god GP framed bikes on slicks?? In Oz Buckets have very closely monitored rules. Engines and frames have to be homolgamated before being allowed to compete. If people want to take F4 and F5 seriously, then I believe that we need rules that guarantee its CHEAP, regulated and fair.

Ducking for cover now...

[Buddha#81:Me]

Last season I had one of the fastest 4 Stroke buckets in CHCH, now running mid pack. So what! Im happy to be out there mixing it up. With a young family Im bloody happy to be racing two bikes and having fun doing so. By getting points each round even a fat barstard like me can get third at championships end. I will buy the man a cold beer (or coke for K) who builds a 4 stoke that can take down the hot 2's. Look how far we have come Diesel Pig on Hot Dog was untouchable 3 season's ago we have all moved along. MNZ has made the rules lets live by them and go racing! If any MNZ Head shed read this please make Nitrous eligable for anything over 20 years old and with 1 cam.

D as El Presendetay make a post classic bucket class (you have two bikes that could win it) and we would eliminate the pooftas on the new gear. Get out the shed and sort the MT instead of whining. That bike has the poteintial to run in the top four, or give me the motor and i'll hot rod my bucket lose some weight (ok shit loads of weight) and kick my little/big brothers arse!

Buy the way this post is going off track. Top days racing the rain stayed away and Kickaha said it all.

[gav]

25 years ago or so, a few of us keen Nelson guys use to travel over the hill and try and mix it with the Woodbourne/Blenheim boys on their home tracks. Back then they were moaning about the ACU (now MNZ) wanting to interfere and regulate and requiring racers to have ACU licences and race meets requiring permits. Alot of the bikes being raced then were pretty similiar to whats being raced now, hot MB100's and hotter 125-130cc four strokes!
Sure the class needs to move on, and any competition motorsport is going to have guys who push the bounderies with either deep pockets or their own available resources. It was the same back then too!
Sure a FXR150 has raised the stakes but no more than a RS125 chassis has, Also parts are so hard to come by now if you want to build a fast MB100, anyone got a spare six speed gearbox?
Its still one of the cheapest forms of motorsport going around and alot of fun. After all some people spend more on a set of tyres than others spend on a complete bike, dont they?

[Buddha#81:Me]

Some guy turned up with the hottest looking bucket last season. It was a Suzuki TS it was ment to be one of the fastest buckets 20 odd years ago, he even brought along some fast jockey to pedal the thing. It looked cool but it ran in the lower 1/2 of the pack the dude an't been back, I would like to see anything from 25 years ago turn up again. 25 years ago the only 17" wheels were on the back of trailbikes. Showing ya age Gav.

Santa bring me a hot FXR in a RS chassis PLEASE PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE, I'll be a good boy.

[gav]

Some guy turned up with the hottest looking bucket last season. It was a Suzuki TS it was ment to be one of the fastest buckets 20 odd years ago, he even brought along some fast jockey to pedal the thing. It looked cool but it ran in the lower 1/2 of the pack the dude an't been back, I would like to see anything from 25 years ago turn up again. 25 years ago the only 17" wheels were on the back of trailbikes. Showing ya age Gav.

Santa bring me a hot FXR in a RS chassis PLEASE PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE, I'll be a good boy.

Nah, just started really young.....
Sorry, didnt mean they were faster, just similiar, as stuff like better wheels, brakes, brakes, carbs, etc have become more readily available, the bikes have become faster.
25 years ago though you could buy 18" slicks
I can remember the first RG50's finding their way onto the tracks, and water cooling started making an apperance too . You'd like to think that a few extra tricks have been learned over the years too, aye!

[dangerous]

Buy the way this post is going off track.

Not intended... like I said

as I said IMHO owners of these bike can do what they like, good on em... I don't feel the need for any restrictions to be put on them...

So why people may be getting wound up I dont know... please note with my posts, winkie smilies and dumb arse comments like me 'pulling my pud at home' no offence or bad mouthing meant.

Get out the shed and sort the MT instead of whining.

Sorry... not whining, just a bit disapointed... considering the timeless hours and effort Kickaha, Diesel Pig and DC etc have put into my bikes and still I end up sitting in the middle of the feild watching you guys fight it out, hey I know 'thats racing'

D as El Presendetay make a post classic bucket class and we would eliminate the pooftas on the new gear.

Hey, bloody good idea, that is a good answer to the suituation (did mini spud come up with that sugestion?)
What do the others think?
BTW... LOL I like the 'we' bit

[TonyB]

I still believe there has got to be a class where (for instance) a spotty faced 16 year old can buy a race bike for $300, and with no mechanical ability to hot the thing up with, go out on the track and find out how good he or she is. The way things are at the moment he or she would get their arse absolutely KICKED by highly modified bikes that have had what amounts to thousands of dollars in development (in labour and expertise) put into them. If our spotty faced kid doesn't understand that the otherwise ratty looking bikes at the front of the feild are highly tuned, he or she is very likely to go away thinking that they can't ride to save themselves.

NZ has got to have a true entry class where you can have close racing for next to no $$$. If it's not F4 and F5 then what is it?

[Kickaha]

RE the FXR's, arent they running in the production class? Arent they eligible?

They are eligible if we run treaded tyres, but Chch is the only place they run a proddy class

Last I saw looked like a two stroke at front of the field.

Two strokes have won the champs the last 4 years out of 5

Same for Kick, not sure he's lapping that much faster than his old GN?

I'm no faster on the FXR than the GN but the FXR is still stock

In Oz Buckets have very closely monitored rules. Engines and frames have to be homolgamated before being allowed to compete. If people want to take F4 and F5 seriously, then I believe that we need rules that guarantee its CHEAP, regulated and fair.

Ducking for cover now...

In OZ BUckets are a very expensive class to race in compared to here with our "loose" rules and they have a lot more bitching than we do

give me the motor and i'll hot rod my bucket lose some weight (ok shit loads of weight) and kick my little/big brothers arse!

You'd need to be half the man you are now

[k14]

Even K14 showed at Levels whats capable of an old shitter. Bit soft the young pup didnt come up for this race meet, must be getting soft....

Yeah well just imagine all the extra bitching and moaning that would have stemmed from me showing up and kicking everyones arses. There's enough as it is, sheesh anyone would think its the fucking greenies at a nuclear power convention or something.

[Rashika]

Yeah well just imagine all the extra bitching and moaning that would have stemmed from me showing up and kicking everyones arses. There's enough as it is, sheesh anyone would think its the fucking greenies at a nuclear power convention or something.

Jeepers! And I thought you were such a mild mannered and well spoken young man.....after this wee outburst I can see how wrong I was

[manuboy]

Yeah well just imagine all the extra bitching and moaning that would have stemmed from me showing up and kicking everyones arses. There's enough as it is, sheesh anyone would think its the fucking greenies at a nuclear power convention or something.

O/T Nuclear. Green. Country (NZ). Faultline. Danger!

Thanks to 30UTD who let me grab a short burst on the Tuono. Wow! I think even more fun than the K4! Luv that handling. Eggcelerates pretty good too. Looks the shiz.

I'm thinkin of lining one up for a bucket. Hope nobody has a problem with that? (other than 30UTD)