Sheer hikoi madness

[dangerous]

I went down there this afternoon to show my support, all seemed pretty laid back, although it was winding up by the time I got there.

What you wanted to go down there and blow snot and spit at people in your grass skirt and sharpened 4x2 aswell huh?
I'v seen anamals behave better in the bush

[Ms Piggy]

What you wanted to go down there and blow snot and spit at people in your grass skirt and sharpened 4x2 aswell huh?
I'v seen anamals behave better in the bush

No definitely not - that's a bit gross really.

I wanted to show that I support the issues of the Treaty and believe that Maori have been shafted for too long. I've let my views on this subject be known before and if ya want to PM we can have a private discussion If ya wanna use the message board - sweet as.

Cathy

[dangerous]

No definitely not - that's a bit gross really.

I wanted to show that I support the issues of the Treaty and believe that Maori have been shafted for too long. I've let my views on this subject be known before and if ya want to PM we can have a private discussion If ya wanna use the message board - sweet as.

Cathy

Sooooo..... ya wanna take the big d on aye na.... beter not, I dont believe in swering on a public forum

[MadDuck]

Hi Celtic

Without turning this into a political or racial debate I have to kinda agree with Dangerous. When the Hikoi was going through the country I thought good on them for standing up for what they believe in and in a peaceful way. But after seeing the News tonight my whole opinion changed.

They just went one step too far as usual and ruined an otherwise good protest. It was a pretty disgusting display and if they wanted to be taken seriously they should have stopped before that point. Once again the minority ruining it for the majority as bikers we understand that point?

Just my 2c worth

[Ms Piggy]

Sooooo..... ya wanna take the big d on aye na.... beter not, I dont believe in swering on a public forum

Bring it on

[Ms Piggy]

Hi Celtic

Without turning this into a political or racial debate I have to kinda agree with Dangerous. When the Hikoi was going through the country I thought good on them for standing up for what they believe in and in a peaceful way. But after seeing the News tonight my whole opinion changed.

They just went one step too far as usual and ruined an otherwise good protest. It was a pretty disgusting display and if they wanted to be taken seriously they should have stopped before that point. Once again the minority ruining it for the majority as bikers we understand that point?

Just my 2c worth

Yeah well I missed the new b/c I was working. That sounds pretty off though, yuk! But when I was there it was all ok. That was only 1 part of the day (I asssume) and only a few of many...the media are so good at putting the swing they want on things too.

[MadDuck]

Well to be honest I can not see how blowing snot out your nose by a man with a tattooed face can be misconstrued by the media. But maybe I should have been there (to clean up the mess).......

[curious george]

Well, I'm stuffed. What's all this Hikoi about anyway? Asking various people always gets different answers, and even those who admit to not knowing, say they support it for some other sympathetic reason!
As I understand it:

Hikoi= big march down to Beehive because somebody wants something they think they have had in the past; or will be cheated out of in the future.

Why isn't there one from the South Island? Is only the Northland people who can do this?

Who wants the seabed and forshore? What qualifies one to benefit from this demand?

What is the seabed and forshore? Seabed = stuff underwater and on the ground underwater. Foreshore = The little bit above high tide mark and down to the low tide mark?

Why is Tame Iti (sp) always in things like this, and in various other fraud/mismanagement debarkles?

Full credit to Tariana Turia for consulting her constituents and walking.
And the fat fella Parekura Horomia for standing with the Govt.

And when Maori had no European sense of ownership, how can this suddenly be developed into something tangeable, which can then be sold-on, or traded (again) for something else?

This isn't a wind up. I'm just a bit confused, and I don't understand. Probably like quite a few other people in the nation. :spudwhat:

[LB]

We left home (Kelson) a bit earlier than usual (normally leave at 7.01am, left at 6.45am instead) and had much more traffic than usual, but like some of you others the only holdups I found were because of police cars sitting on the side of the m/way.

I watched a bit of the march from my building windows (Lambton Quay opp Stout Street) - there were certainly a shitload of people.

I had to cross Lambton Quay at 12.25pm to meet my lunch dates. I was a bit intimidated by all the people, but I found a gap and walked across no problems.

I'm glad I wasn't carrying a huge flag in those winds.

[Lou Girardin]

Why isn't there one from the South Island? Is only the Northland people who can do this?


Why is Tame Iti (sp) always in things like this, and in various other fraud/mismanagement debarkles?

Full credit to Tariana Turia for consulting her constituents and walking.
And the fat fella Parekura Horomia for standing with the Govt.

And when Maori had no European sense of ownership, how can this suddenly be developed into something tangeable, which can then be sold-on, or traded (again) for something else?

. :spudwhat:

They couldn't find even 10,000 Maoris down there.

It's his profession.

When she finally made up her mind. Will I, won't I. I know, I'll hide in Helens car to think about it.

Ownership tends to follow when assets become valuable.

[Ms Piggy]

Well to be honest I can not see how blowing snot out your nose by a man with a tattooed face can be misconstrued by the media. But maybe I should have been there (to clean up the mess).......

Hey MD,
What I was meaning was that the media will focus in on the most controversial peice of an issue ie. showing the charred bodies of those americans a few weeks back to try & sway public opinion to support America or showing an extremist blowing snot out his nose to again try & reinforce the stereotypes. That's what I meant by putting a "swing on things". For all the bad shit that may have happened there would have been a lot of non-snotty moments (I hope!) & the media are less willing to show that b/c it's not as attention grabbing. It's all about $$ not what is or isn't news worthy.

In regards to the clean up - when I was there a woman on a loud speaker was telling the crowds to make sure they pick up all their rubbish & to have 1 last look around before they leave (or where you meaning the boogers?).

Cheers Cathy

[PuppetMaster]

Un-fucking-believable!
Tailback to Moonshine Bridge this morning.
I had to lanesplit 32km to get into work this morning!
Hikoi members were travelling through the rush hour traffic at about 10km/r with their hazard lights on, ignoring red lights, and were just allowed to do what they wanted by the police.
However all police waved me through as I lane-split so I guess I can't complain Hope none of you took your cars today!

I Came in at about 6:30am and it was busy then. No maori's up and about at that time.
But, I went home at 8:30am again. As I was going between the Petone lights and the LH lights (somewhere in the middle) the traffic had started to back up from there. And the reason ? Some Hikoi idiots had stopped on the motorway, blocking both lanes. Why, I dunno. There werent any cops around. :sneaky2:

[Deano]

Personally I would pay money to watch Tama Iti get smashed over, in fact I would love to have a go myself. He has assualted cameramen, spat at MP's, he just a criminal who has found a cause to rally behind.

They should have been grateful that some MP's actually bothered to go and meet with them - I think as soon as F&#kface spat at them, they should have got up and walked away.

Im surprised no one (innocent bystanders or cameramen) were bashed with the Taiaha this time.

[Jackrat]

This legislation gives Maori people some thing they have never had before.
That's legal recognition of their rights to any foreshore in the land.
Of course some are not happy with this as they say only their own people can recognise this an YOU/ME/WE are not their people.The real reason they don't want it is that it sets a legal president that can not be argued against on traditional grounds Via the treaty industry.Of course traditional rights only start at the time of eruopean settlement because before that nobody had any rights Traditional or otherwise.
Any rights are only given by the society in which the people living in them are willing to extend.I don't know about anybody else but I am not willing to extend to anybody living in NZ more or less rights than myself.

[Wenier]

I don't see wut their problem is. They want to own the seabed and foreshore but currently it is under crown ownership (which i think is a good thing). This crown ownership entitles everyone (that means everyone not jus maori or jus pakeha (problem spelt wrong)) to the same rights regarding anything on the seabed or foreshore whether it be crabs that you can catch and wut ever else is there. If they own it wut is then there to stop them from saying we can take any amount we want and you have to abide by the quota. The quota is there so that it isnt over fished of course otherwise you'll wreck the echo system etc etc. So why can the maori and other supports with them not handle the crown ownin it when overall it is probably a good idea!