Sheer hikoi madness

[Drunken Monkey]

I don't know about anybody else but I am not willing to extend to anybody living in NZ more or less rights than myself.

Indeed. Don't see why I have to pay $$$ for permits to fish/hunt for a limited number of catch on some special days of the year when some fellas down the road can take whatever they want whenever they want because his father's father's mother was a half Maori...

Don't go for this 'retribution for things stolen form our fore fathers' b.s. either. I don't hate the Germans because they hit the artillery piece my great-stepgrandfather was operating in Gazala back in 1940 and busted his chin and hand. Don't see why I should suffer because some colonials seized land 150 years ago, legally or not...

[James Deuce]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2898614a11,00.html

If this is even half true......

[Ms Piggy]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2898614a11,00.html

If this is even half true......

Not good

[Ms Piggy]

Indeed. Don't see why I have to pay $$$ for permits to fish/hunt for a limited number of catch on some special days of the year when some fellas down the road can take whatever they want whenever they want because his father's father's mother was a half Maori...

Don't go for this 'retribution for things stolen form our fore fathers' b.s. either. I don't hate the Germans because they hit the artillery piece my great-stepgrandfather was operating in Gazala back in 1940 and busted his chin and hand. Don't see why I should suffer because some colonials seized land 150 years ago, legally or not...

My understanding is that it's not about retribution but about recognition of the fact that they are the indigenous people of the land. It's about honouring the Treaty and what was promised to Maori in that document.

I'm still learning about all this stuff but basically it's a clash of cultures and, it seems to me, a case of Europeans (the world over) believing that the white way is the right way and not making allowances for other cultures. Not only in New Zealand but all over the world indigenous cultures have been treated incredibly badly eg. Native Americans & Aboriginals to name a couple of the more obvious ones.

I'm not really sure what can be done to sort it out, but have a closed mind and believing the stereotypes instead of checking it out for yourself seems to me to be no solution at all.

[Wenier]

Are we not forgetting that maori are not the indigenous people of New Zealand they simple ate the indigenous people of New Zealand so really they stole the land from them and dont deserve the rights to it when currently the rights make it so everyone is equal.

[Wenier]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2898614a11,00.html

If this is even half true......

Well if it is true they can get F&^*&D and they dont deserve shit in that case. BUT thats only if its true.

[James Deuce]

My understanding is that it's not about retribution but about recognition of the fact that they are the indigenous people of the land. It's about honouring the Treaty and what was promised to Maori in that document.

I'm still learning about all this stuff but basically it's a clash of cultures and, it seems to me, a case of Europeans (the world over) believing that the white way is the right way and not making allowances for other cultures. Not only in New Zealand but all over the world indigenous cultures have been treated incredibly badly eg. Native Americans & Aboriginals to name a couple of the more obvious ones.

I'm not really sure what can be done to sort it out, but have a closed mind and believing the stereotypes instead of checking it out for yourself seems to me to be no solution at all.

I'm NOT European. I have NO connection with Europe. Our culture is NOT European either. Some of it is derived from Western European culture, but there is a massive Pasifika component, that "European" NZers have a great deal of trouble acknowledging - only because of snobbery I might add. It was a huge relief to get home from UK after 18 months away and get away from the Xenophobia and outright racism that pervades Europe. I t was a weekly occurance (in 1998) for a car load of National Front skinheads to unload on a bunch of skinny little Sikh boys on their way home from school in the neighourhood where we lived.

We think we have a class structure in NZ but it pales next the British model - and Kiwis and Australians are lower on the scale than scousers and Scots.

[maybe]

They went more than one step to far where does any one get off telling others what train they can and can't use, scaring the living hell out of a 13 year old girl who ended up to scared to go back to the station just in case.................any support they had from me and most people I know has well gone now.

[Deano]

Lets face facts, minorities will always have difficulty in obtaining "rights" as they see them. We should know that being 3% of the roadgoing population, ACC and LTSA always seem to be giving us bikers a rough deal.

I wasn't there when the Treaty was signed (who was), but I believe that the Crown tried in good faith to do well by the local people (not indigenous people, but then we can't mention the Moriori - can we - and no traey was signed with them).

If the French or Spanish had colonised, they probably would have just walked in and taken EVERYTHING, and no treaty.

Did representatives of all all Maori tribes turn up to sign the treaty ? - it is hard enough to get fair representation these days, let alone in a new country run under a tribal system of warfare.

Did the chiefs that turned up to sign overstate their ownership of lands, in order to profit from their neighbouring/opposition tribe ?

Another point - how many Acts of parliament actually go on for over 150 years without amendments to account for the changing times/morals/beliefs etc of the day.

How relevant then is the Treaty (in its original form) in todays global economy.

I recall when I was at uni there were many grants available, mainly to Maori.
Im a kiwi, put myself through uni by working part time, and had a $15,000 student loan at the end of it. Why should any other "kiwi" get access to grants simply because of their culture ?

I believe that some Maori have really overdone it, such as not wanting anyone else in the world to perform "their" haka, not wanting to register their dogs etc.

In the course of doing my job a few weeks ago, I had to move someone on for an activity that required a council permit, but they said to me it was "because Im Maori" - I said , no its because you need a permit and you don't have one, to which I was called a White Power Asshole. (so Im tall, white with cropped hair - so what).

I had a go at him for saying that, but can you imagine the uproar if I had called him a black bastard or whatever. I find it quite a lot in my job, as soon as you show any authority (which is required in my job), they label you a racist.

I almost get paranoid about dealing with some Maori nowadays. What kind of a society is it where I feel Im walking on eggshells in case of being accused of racial insensitivity - what about my racial sensitivity?

One set of rules for all I say.

By reading these posts it would appear the majority of KBers are either level headed Kiwis who have had a gutsful of the treaty and actions of some Maori, or we are just a bunch of REDNECKS.

[maybe]

Well put Deano It's a pity but I don't think it matters where or what there will always be a small group that will spoil it for the rest.

[duckman]

I dunno how others on this site feel but I'm tired of feeling guilty just because of the colour of my skin.
When I go overseas I tell people I'm a New Zealander ... not a Pakeha, certainly not a European ... a NEW ZEALANDER !!

Imagine what this country could do if we stopped arguing and starting working.

[Wenier]

Yea totally agree with Deano and ive met u on a ride before so wouldnt take you as racist.

Also the maori usual somehow bring the racism on themselves like deano said the guy reply because im maori which is startin the racism and putting words into others mouths when its nothing of the sort.

[Wenier]

I dunno how others on this site feel but I'm tired of feeling guilty just because of the colour of my skin.
When I go overseas I tell people I'm a New Zealander ... not a Pakeha, certainly not a European ... a NEW ZEALANDER !!

Imagine what this country could do if we stopped arguing and starting working.

Went to china a few years back after america had shot down a chinese plane so we put on our backpack little NZ flags which had New Zealand on em and referred to ourselves as New Zealanders as not to have any hassles since america f*&ked up

[White trash]

.......or we are just a bunch of REDNECKS.

Coz I'm White Trash, yeah I'm real White Trash............. :sly:

[James Deuce]

Coz I'm White Trash, yeah I'm real White Trash............. :sly:

Stopppppp Iiiiiiit!