Sheer hikoi madness

[White trash]

Well my jeans come in all colours, 'long as it's black. My hairs, short on the top and it's a long at the back. Well I got my belt buckle and I'm wearin' it out.......

Make me!

[Ms Piggy]

I'm NOT European. I have NO connection with Europe. Our culture is NOT European either. Some of it is derived from Western European culture, but there is a massive Pasifika component, that "European" NZers have a great deal of trouble acknowledging - only because of snobbery I might add. It was a huge relief to get home from UK after 18 months away and get away from the Xenophobia and outright racism that pervades Europe. I t was a weekly occurance (in 1998) for a car load of National Front skinheads to unload on a bunch of skinny little Sikh boys on their way home from school in the neighourhood where we lived.

We think we have a class structure in NZ but it pales next the British model - and Kiwis and Australians are lower on the scale than scousers and Scots.

Good point Jim.

[Ms Piggy]

Are we not forgetting that maori are not the indigenous people of New Zealand they simple ate the indigenous people of New Zealand so really they stole the land from them and dont deserve the rights to it when currently the rights make it so everyone is equal.

That is just a theory about the Moriori being here before Maori, other theories go that they were Maori also, just another tribe. It's something I don't know a lot about to be honest.

[Ms Piggy]

Lets face facts, minorities will always have difficulty in obtaining "rights" as they see them. We should know that being 3% of the roadgoing population, ACC and LTSA always seem to be giving us bikers a rough deal.

I wasn't there when the Treaty was signed (who was), but I believe that the Crown tried in good faith to do well by the local people (not indigenous people, but then we can't mention the Moriori - can we - and no traey was signed with them).

If the French or Spanish had colonised, they probably would have just walked in and taken EVERYTHING, and no treaty.

Did representatives of all all Maori tribes turn up to sign the treaty ? - it is hard enough to get fair representation these days, let alone in a new country run under a tribal system of warfare.

Did the chiefs that turned up to sign overstate their ownership of lands, in order to profit from their neighbouring/opposition tribe ?


By reading these posts it would appear the majority of KBers are either level headed Kiwis who have had a gutsful of the treaty and actions of some Maori, or we are just a bunch of REDNECKS.

Hey Deano,
Being called racist when you are just doing your job is just stoopid! I would have been pretty angry too.

However...the Treaty was written up in a HUGE rush, the man who translated it did it over night and wasn't one of the best translators available. There were several english version of the Treaty and wording in the Maori & English versions had differing meanings.

The Treaty was taken around N.Z for some other Maori to sign but in some places they just claimed the land anyway.

And then it wasn't honoured, land was confiscated & taken b/c the colonisers wanted it.

I think the majority of KBers are definitely level headed kiwis...I mean anyone that loves riding must be! I just know that from my own personal experience that a lot of people tend have a lot of very strong opinions that aren't backed up by actual research of their own. I've been very guilty of that & my good mate Jim2 is always catching me out for making broad sweeping statements when I'm really talking out my arse! So all I'm saying(maybe challenging you to) is a little bit of your own digging before you assume stuff is true. Ooooo - that could be seen as another broad sweeping statement from me right there

[dangerous]

THERE'S ONLY ONE 'UM' .................

[merv]

My hairs, short on the top and it's a long at the back.

Mullett!!!! Should be a Westie huh!

[El Dopa]

We think we have a class structure in NZ but it pales next the British model - and Kiwis and Australians are lower on the scale than scousers and Scots.

Oh, come on now, old chap, that's going a bit far. I'd let a colonial polish the family silver before I'd let a sticky-fingered vagrant from north of watford loose in the scullery.

[MadDuck]

Oh, come on now, old chap, that's going a bit far. I'd let a colonial polish the family silver before I'd let a sticky-fingered vagrant from north of watford loose in the scullery.

LMFAO El Dopa. that is the funniest thing on this thread and good for you. I almost got caught in the BS that this thread was suggesting then remembered why I love this site. Bikes, bikes, and more bikes...damn if I wanna talk politiks I am sure I can find a forum somewhere else.

PS: born and bred kiwi (just a kiwi - not brown, white, old, young, rich or poor, European decent - umm no born here), kiwi passport (and proud of it as I travelled Europe)...maybe just a tad less proud of it at the moment. Imagine the poor newcomer to our shores opened this mornings Herald - yikes!

And here endeth my comments on this subject

[James Deuce]

Oh, come on now, old chap, that's going a bit far. I'd let a colonial polish the family silver before I'd let a sticky-fingered vagrant from north of watford loose in the scullery.

Yeah but you live HERE now, so you can see the difference between "colonials" and those from north of the Watford gap.

[El Dopa]

Yeah but you live HERE now, so you can see the difference between "colonials" and those from north of the Watford gap.

Yes, I live here now. I know I'll never be a 'proper' kiwi, but I'm happy to be given the chance to be here, have a job and pay my taxes, and my kids'll be true-blue kiwis.

I ain't going to comment on the Hikoi cos I know stuff all about the politics of it, but I'm trying to learn and sort out the loud ranty shouting (on both sides) from the substance of the argument. I'd be interested to hear what any Maori bikers on this forum have to say about it?

Jim2, I think you underestimate how well regarded kiwis and aussies are in the UK (that's the UK and not 'home'). Employers like them cos they work hard and don't moan. Everyone else likes them cos they're usually a friendy, happy, well-behaved bunch who remain so even when pissed and don't make a habit of brawling with total strangers outside pubs at chucking-out time, unlike the locals.

'cultural cringe' is something I had to have patiently explained to me when I got puzzled by odd remarks. As a concept, it's something most poms I know would have difficulty recognising. You do it to yourselves, it ain't the poms doing it. 'course, now I know about it, it's very hard to resist playing up to it occasionally....

Did you have a bad time over there, or am I reading too much between the lines?

Go the All Blacks (except on 20th June)

[MadDuck]

One thing I found is that we highly regarded for our skills and attitude in the UK as I was never without work. But for me I just wanted to come home ...some of us dont know how lucky we are ...thanks El Dopa

[James Deuce]

Yes, I live here now. I know I'll never be a 'proper' kiwi, but I'm happy to be given the chance to be here, have a job and pay my taxes, and my kids'll be true-blue kiwis.

I ain't going to comment on the Hikoi cos I know stuff all about the politics of it, but I'm trying to learn and sort out the loud ranty shouting (on both sides) from the substance of the argument. I'd be interested to hear what any Maori bikers on this forum have to say about it?

Jim2, I think you underestimate how well regarded kiwis and aussies are in the UK (that's the UK and not 'home'). Employers like them cos they work hard and don't moan. Everyone else likes them cos they're usually a friendy, happy, well-behaved bunch who remain so even when pissed and don't make a habit of brawling with total strangers outside pubs at chucking-out time, unlike the locals.

'cultural cringe' is something I had to have patiently explained to me when I got puzzled by odd remarks. As a concept, it's something most poms I know would have difficulty recognising. You do it to yourselves, it ain't the poms doing it. 'course, now I know about it, it's very hard to resist playing up to it occasionally....

Did you have a bad time over there, or am I reading too much between the lines?

Go the All Blacks (except on 20th June)

Bad time doesn't begin to describe it. We were in Southampton. I had job offers in Ashtead, Edinburgh, London, and some obscure place in Norfolk, but my wife had the work permit sponsored by the Princess Anne paediatric hospital in Southampton, and mine was granted on the back of hers. Took me 3 months to get a job in Hampshire (it was brilliant though) working for Racal - but my boss was from the Falklands, and everyone I worked with wasn't local. Brilliant bunch of people. However it was really hard to get accomodation, we had real trouble with the local dialect (we could understand them OK - they just used to cross their eyes and refuse to serve us!) and we had to put up with serious questions, like "do we have floors in our mud huts", and "how do we cope with the Maori eating our children"! FFS!

My wife also went for a job interview the year before and stayed for 6 weeks with friends over there. She was promised a relocation allowance of 2000 quid, and 19,000 a year (which isn't a lot but enough to get by on - don't do the conversion as it is about the same $19000pa here in real buying power). When we got there the wage was 13,000quid a year (less than the dole), no relocation allowance, and our accommodation was disgusting.

I'm also a drummer, and I used to go up to London every chance I got for concerts and to do session work for little basement studios that dot practically every street corner in East Finchley . London was a different story altogether and all the people I met there were either very cool, very friendly, or both. There's a pub in Highgate that I spent a lot of time at, just across from the cemetary where they filmed a lot of the Hammer horrors. And Sting's house was just on the other side

I thought Auckland was crowded 'til I spent time there, though the traffic is a lot better behaved, if a touch heavy. I'd like to go back and give it abother shot one day, but I will stay away from the Southern Bastards (Devon, Hampshire, Sussex, Kent) - horrible people, with small horizons (sorry that's a Generalised Sweeping Statement). It really took a lot of fortitude to remain positive.

[James Deuce]

El Dopa - you're Kiwi in my book mate. All the "good" Brits I've met have spent at least some time living in another country.

[Drunken Monkey]

Coz I'm White Trash, yeah I'm real White Trash............. :sly:

He is ya know...I've stayed in his flat. Oh, did I say flat? I meant trailer/caravan... :P

[James Deuce]

Well my jeans come in all colours, 'long as it's black. My hairs, short on the top and it's a long at the back. Well I got my belt buckle and I'm wearin' it out.......

Make me!

Fekker! I'll be down tommorrow with 30 frozen pies to do over the windows in an HQ Holden driveby pie raid.