Please blow in this

**spudchucka** · 10th May 2004, 11:15

Originally Posted by Drunken Monkey

Oh, wait a minute...

I need to give you this...

Bite me, cop lover!

Now you have gone and hurt my feelings, I need a hug!

back at ya.

**Jackrat** · 10th May 2004, 11:21

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

There is case law that says, telling a cop to fuck off is not insulting language or disorderly behaviour. The judge held that, by the nature of the Officers job he had to expect that reaction from some members of the public.
So, the failed youth bullshit is an even better reason to tell him to fuck off.

Good luck to him,I tryed it and it didn't work.
One judge might let you walk another might not,I think it depends on the situation.I know judge Brown in AK will throw the book at you and then jump up an down on it,while judge Murray when he was on the shore would let you walk.You should no longer get done for offensive langage for the word "Fuck"to a cop, but if your really keen there are still a couple that will do it.More so if you say them to a female cop.I prefered the old system where if you were a smart ass you got a smack up the head but unfortunatly most of the soft cocks now days can't handle that an run off complaining to mummy & daddy about their rights.

**spudchucka** · 10th May 2004, 11:21

To everyone that thinks telling a cop to fuck off or being generally abusive to them is a good idea, what do you think that cop will do after dealing with an abusive motorist? He is going to tell all his mates about you and will put through intell about you and your attitude. You will be known by all the local cops, they will know what you drive and they will know about your attitude. What do you think will happen next time a cop sees you driving? You will get pulled over and will get what ever tickets can be issued. Discretion, warnings, compliance, I don't think so because you have previously proven that you a complete dork of the absolute highest order.

Do you people know what a self fullfilling prophecy is because there is sure as hell a fair few of them getting generated in here at the moment.

**Drunken Monkey** · 10th May 2004, 11:58

awww, I did say 'kindly' fu(k off. How easy it is to open a can of worms on this forum...
spud, we are just sharing experiences here - and don't generally appreciate being berated for it.
still, I shouldn't lave lowered myself to that level...

peace?

I give as I take - nine times out of ten, the police have been polite and professional when I have been stopped (for what ever reason - whether it was just a random stop or I was playing silly buggers) and I return in kind. And yes, this has got me off some potential fines.
However, if some cocky police training college grad tried to wind me up (I'm not saying I'd tell anyone who told me I failed youth to piss off - It's all in the context), I won't take shit from him. I have been surprised how effective telling a cop to naff off can be if hes wasting your time - and the person that told me I should do it: another cop.
The story: I was having a whine at work one day (my collegue at the time was a cop moonlighting as a computer techie) about a cop who dared pulled me over for going down a bus lane where the road was closed for road works and I was directed down that said bus lane by the road workers - yet somehow this dim witted PC plod was unable to see the myriad of orange cones, a big yellow digger with a flashing yellow light on top, and a big DETOUR sign. Halfway through writing his ticket, the construction worker came up and helped me out ("we have closed the road - ALL the traffic has to use the bus lane"). Apology from the cop? Nope. "I'll just give you a warning this time...". FFS. Colleague's advice: tell him to fuc|< off, get his number, then file a complaint.

**spudchucka** · 10th May 2004, 15:48

Drunken Monkey,

Fair enough that cop was in the wrong and I have no problem with you putting him straight. What I have a problem with is the general "tell the cops to get fucked" attitude that people are promoting. What does it achieve?? Nothing and it will probably come back to bite you in the arse, so don't do it in the first place.

By the way I don't go out of my way to berate anyone but if I'm reading stuff that is BS then I'll respond. Sorry if it offends anyone but I'm just saying it as I see it.

**marty** · 10th May 2004, 15:52

Originally Posted by MikeL

Some interesting attitudes revealed in these comments. I certainly don't condone offensive behaviour, and telling a police officer to f*ck off seems gratuitous and unnecessary if the officer is only doing his job and acting within the law. I'm sure that the police are subjected to a lot of deliberate provocation by people with a chip on their shoulder and no doubt at times it requires a lot more than the average human forbearance to put up with this sort of behaviour. On the other hand the reference to being strip-searched and beaten up as well as the ineffectiveness of complaining to the PCA hints at the arrogant abuse of power that anecdotally at least seems to lie behind the increasing loss of respect that the police are suffering. It is a vicious circle and to break it requires more creative thinking than just increasing repression.

i agree that it is an arrogant abuse of power, but it comes from both sides - the public push the boundaries, so do the cops. in the end no-one wins, everyone is pissed off, and the circle continues. jackrats experience with different judges is right on - sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. sometimes 12 months down the track the police will offer no evidence or withdraw - where does that leave you? case law really only matters in court - in 99 out of 100 cases it doesn't work on the street, and the courtroom is the place to battle it out. winning in court (as the defendant) doesn't really make it any easier when you've spent the night in the cells 8 months prior.....

**jimbo600** · 10th May 2004, 16:14

Originally Posted by spudchucka

To everyone that thinks telling a cop to fuck off or being generally abusive to them is a good idea, what do you think that cop will do after dealing with an abusive motorist? He is going to tell all his mates about you and will put through intell about you and your attitude. You will be known by all the local cops, they will know what you drive and they will know about your attitude. What do you think will happen next time a cop sees you driving? You will get pulled over and will get what ever tickets can be issued. Discretion, warnings, compliance, I don't think so because you have previously proven that you a complete dork of the absolute highest order.

Do you people know what a self fullfilling prophecy is because there is sure as hell a fair few of them getting generated in here at the moment.

I imagine some of the local cops willhunt you down and shake your hand. I know there is a bit of friction between HP and other cops.

**Drunken Monkey** · 10th May 2004, 19:56

Fair 'nuff, spud

Feel free to rip my opinions to shreds, just not so keen on getting slammed when I'm relating an observation...

Hmmm - there appear to always be a lot of suzuki sportbike riders in these law enforcement based threads...are we our own worst enemy?!?! Is the GSX-R/TL reputation as a street holligan's tool of trade a scarey truism?!?! Can I shut up and get back to work?!?! Is using "?!?!" really bad use of punctuation?!?!

**scumdog** · 10th May 2004, 20:17

Originally Posted by jimbo750

Hoho nice one DM.

Telling a HP to fuck off is wholly appropriate, especially when they hang around speed change areas as they are not acting within the law. According to their speed enforcement policy they are not to target folks within 250m of a speed change (when going from high to low). So if this happens then fuck off is the correct response. As for disorderly behaviour or offensive behaviour...yeah right, someone actually has to be offended for that to occur and I cannot believe that a cop would be offended by bad language. I on the other hand get very fuckin' offended when some twat HP says, and I quote "don't get bitter mate, I just saved your life" after presenting me with a ticket for going 57 in a 50 zone.

I tell ya I hate each and every one of those HP idiots.

That 250 metres is only a "gentlemans agreement", aparently a while ago some wanker decided to defend his speeding charge by measuring that he was only 247 metres inside the speed change when he got pinged!

The top cop in that area aparently sent out a message "don't worry about the 250 metres thing anymore, you don't need to cut them the slack anymore" amazing how some ding-a-ling can ruin it for the rest eh?

**What?** · 10th May 2004, 20:27

[QUOTE=spudchucka]To everyone that thinks telling a cop to fuck off or being generally abusive to them is a good idea, what do you think that cop will do after dealing with an abusive motorist? He is going to tell all his mates about you and will put through intell about you and your attitude. You will be known by all the local cops, they will know what you drive and they will know about your attitude. What do you think will happen next time a cop sees you driving? You will get pulled over and will get what ever tickets can be issued. Discretion, warnings, compliance, I don't think so because you have previously proven that you a complete dork of the absolute highest order.
QUOTE]
That explains it all, Spud. I get a ticket for towing an unladen trailer at 105K (with the flow, no overtaking opportunities etc etc) from a guy I assisted in not getting his skull kicked in a couple of weeks previously. This was in a small country town - cop knew me quite well. The ticket was "just doing his job". Made it all seem so worthwhile to me.

**spudchucka** · 10th May 2004, 20:28

Originally Posted by Drunken Monkey

Fair 'nuff, spud

Feel free to rip my opinions to shreds, just not so keen on getting slammed when I'm relating an observation...

Hmmm - there appear to always be a lot of suzuki sportbike riders in these law enforcement based threads...are we our own worst enemy?!?! Is the GSX-R/TL reputation as a street holligan's tool of trade a scarey truism?!?! Can I shut up and get back to work?!?! Is using "?!?!" really bad use of punctuation?!?!

I'm not quite sure what you are implying?? I just happen to like V-Twin sports bikes. I aren't actually a great fan of Suzuki but the TL is a great bike. Sometimes a bit hairy on the handling though. Before the TL I had a Firestorm and I can't afford a Ducati or Aprillia so I have a TL.

**Two Smoker** · 10th May 2004, 20:36

I agree with Spud, if you tell a cop to fuck off, then your asking for trouble, if you can prove him wrong, and he is not being a wank while doing wrong, just right him of his ways in a non aggressive way. If he is being a wank, well then thats different.....

**Lou Girardin** · 10th May 2004, 20:47

I can't claim be a devils advocate in some of these debates because I actually believe in what I post, although it is interesting how using provocative language does expose some peoples attitudes. None of these pro-Police responses increase my respect for them. Threats of retribution because someone has upset you doesn't belong in a professional Police force.
Lou

**Two Smoker** · 10th May 2004, 20:52

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I can't claim be a devils advocate in some of these debates because I actually believe in what I post, although it is interesting how using provocative language does expose some peoples attitudes. None of these pro-Police responses increase my respect for them. Threats of retribution because someone has upset you doesn't belong in a professional Police force.
Lou

That is also true Lou

If you want to be in a job like that, you need a professional attitude, and there are some of them out there...... But it still doesnt mean joe bloggs can be a complete wank as well......