Cops and that pepper spray

[ManDownUnder]

I'm sorry, I thought it was well understood that a lot of people refer to "the Police" as pigs. Perhaps I should have chosen a less intelligent animal to refer to "the police" as that may make it easier for people to relate the animal to the police. I suppose it should start with P though.... Let me think on that for a while.

Good move - and I'll work on BS while you're at it.

Why rark people up just because you can?

[bobsmith]

I don't "rack" people up because I can, (well I do but it's not the case here), I simply believe in morals and I get annoyed when people don't, and I get angry seeing human stupidity. (I'm more or less permanently angry around people)

I for one used to believe that one day the system may work, and I hate it when my hopes are crushed again and again by witnessing these ridiculous idiocy then feel sick when I realise that the public will actually put up with it and some even think that it's ok.

[ManDownUnder]

I don't "rack" people up because I can, (well I do but it's not the case here), I simply believe in morals and I get annoyed when people don't, and I get angry seeing human stupidity. (I'm more or less permanently angry around people)

I for one used to believe that one day the system may work, and I hate it when my hopes are crushed again and again by witnessing these ridiculous idiocy then feel sick when I realise that the public will actually put up with it and some even think that it's ok.

Hey Bull Shit, here's an innovative thought for ya. Grow up and get with the program. If you're going to quote me, get it right - I said "rark", not "rack".

If you see a problem - try to fix it. Calling people names (Police/Pigs) introduces new problems and complicates it considerably. What's the point? If you want someone to listen to you, don't piss 'em off.

Yup - You'll come back firing on that one - because I called you bullshit? Don't on purpose mate... to illustrate my point. And no this wasn't edit after the fact - check to see if there's an edit timestamp in the bottom of the post... don;t you hate it when you're outsmarted?

[bobsmith]

It's sad to see that you didn't notice me trying to "fix" the problem.

Seeing that one side has used the ever so creative "grow up" defence (offence) I will sit here hope to hell that I'm getting taller, always wanted to be able to sit on bigger bikes with my feel on the ground. On the other hand, I can only hope that the other party would mature mentally, see past the name calling and look at the real issue, but then again, I am the unrealistic and hopeful kind, as we have established am I not?

It's sad, people seem to "grow up" and get older but they never seem to mature mentally.

[ManDownUnder]

It's sad to see that you didn't notice me trying to "fix" the problem.

Seeing that one side has used the ever so creative "grow up" defence (offence) I will sit here hope to hell that I'm getting taller, always wanted to be able to sit on bigger bikes with my feel on the ground. On the other hand, I can only hope that the other party would mature mentally, see past the name calling and look at the real issue, but then again, I am the unrealistic and hopeful kind, as we have established am I not?

It's sad, people seem to "grow up" and get older but they never seem to mature mentally.

Yup - you came back firing... because I called you names? Because I got insulting? Just as I expected you would (highlight the bottom of the last post, check out the invisible text... complete with typos - sorry).

You and I agree that something needs to be done. I have agreed that from the beginning (see my post - #28 in this thread). The VERY point I was trying to make is that if you come out punching, those you're trying to communicate with won't give you the time of day.

Just as you didn't give me the time of day when I got belligerant with you and called you names, telling you what to do in less than respectful tones.

Like I previously said, slow down, stop calling the Police names and you'll have more success.

[bobsmith]

Uhhhh it would have been "invisible" if it wasn't email to me in black and white the minute you posted it???

For your information, I would have come back firing even if you didn't call me bullshit, evident from the fact that I kept on "firing" before you got offensive or called names.

Obviously if I was trying to communicate with p(@$^ I wouldn't call them names, but note how the post was directed at public not the p@*$^. If I was trying to communicate with p(#%* I would use much simpler words and make my posts shorter so that they can read it without getting bored. Oh and it would probably take the form of a letter, not a post on a public forum.

Besides I wouldn't dream of calling p(*#$%^ names directly to them. They will probably handcuff me, push me onto the ground and spray pepper sprays into my eyes - ouch!

Well thanks for letting me know that if you go around attcking someone, calling them names, they will try to fight back... I would never have guessed. Something about being humans I suppose.

[ManDownUnder]

Uhhhh it would have been "invisible" if it wasn't email to me in black and white the minute you posted it???

For your information, I would have come back firing even if you didn't call me bullshit, evident from the fact that I kept on "firing" before you got offensive or called names.

Obviously if I was trying to communicate with p(@$^ I wouldn't call them names, but note how the post was directed at public not the p@*$^. If I was trying to communicate with p(#%* I would use much simpler words and make my posts shorter so that they can read it without getting bored. Oh and it would probably take the form of a letter, not a post on a public forum.

Besides I wouldn't dream of calling p(*#$%^ names directly to them. They will probably handcuff me, push me onto the ground and spray pepper sprays into my eyes - ouch!

Well thanks for letting me know that if you go around attcking someone, calling them names, they will try to fight back... I would never have guessed. Something about being humans I suppose.

DOH - forgot about email notification formatting. :slap: .

So calling the Police "pigs" online rather to their face helps?

Mate - we agree on the issue, we agree on what's needed, we simply disagree on the abusive vs diplomatic approach.

[Colapop]

Mmmmm Pepper spray... good for steak.

[marty]

If I was trying to communicate with p(#%* I would use much simpler words and make my posts shorter so that they can read it without getting bored. .

i was bored reading your bullshit uneducated drivel about 23 posts ago

Besides I wouldn't dream of calling p(*#$%^ names directly to them. They will probably handcuff me, push me onto the ground and spray pepper sprays into my eyes - ouch!

pussy

[madboy]

I'm trying to stay out of this, cos whether we like it or not, or whether this thread was intended to or not, it does all become about cop bashing.

What concerns me is the lack of professionalism. I've just got off the phone with someone whom I have no time for, was rude to me, and quite frankly seeing him crying like a girl rubbing his eyes kinda appeals to me. But professionlism stops me from reacting. Based on Speedmedics post it sounds like the guy was running his mouth. So everytime an ambo turns up to someone running their mouth, do they poke a finger into the wound to annoy the guy? No, they don't, it's called professionalism.

What I saw on TV was a guy on the ground handcuffed with two (or was it more?) cops standing looking down on him. Then one cop aims the spray and lets loose. Why? That's what I want to know. Why? What did that achieve? What was professional about that activity? None of the officers appeared to be taking a stance to indicate they feared for their safety or that of others. He appeared to already be in custody. So why?

I don't see how being a cock justifies what appears to be an extreme lapse in professionalism. Otherwise I've got a pretty good defence for the next time I meet a cop who's a cock. What do you reckon the chances are if I smack the guy I'll get away with?

[WINJA]

Talking to some of the police involved the guy thoroughly deserved it. If you guys had seen the full picture and audio (subtly edited by TV3), you woulda done the same thing or worse.
The only reason theres an investigation is because there was a "Use of Force" form filled out, which is mandatory after pepper spray and the likes.
Get over yourselves you wankers, if you think you can do a better job then why dont you try.

SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS THAT IN THE POLICES OWN OPINION HE DESRVED TO BE SPRAYED , AS LONG AS HES NOT A RAPIST OR KIDDY FIDDLER I CANT SEE WHY THEY WOULD HAVE A REASON TO PUNISH THE GUY , HE MAY BE AN ARSEHOLE HE MAYBE A FUCKEN JERK BUT ITS NEVER THE PIGS ROLE TO DISH OUT PUNISHMENT , PUNISHMENT IS THE JOB OF A JURY OR JUDGE NOT A PIG WHOSE ALL CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT. AS FOR DOING A BETTER JOB THATS NOT VERY HARD BUT I NEVER CHOOSE THAT AS MY JOB SO ILL DO MY JOB WELL AND I EXPECT THE PIGS TO DO THE SAME , NO IFS NO BUTS NO EXCUSES THAT COP NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE.

I JUST MET A YOUNG GUY TODAY , HE'S A BIT OF A WISE ARSE AND HE SAYS THE PIGS DISH OUT HIDINGS TO HIS MATES OR HIM FREQUENTLY , THEY SPEED AND THEY DO STOP AND THEY MOUTH OFF BUT ITS STILL GIVES THE PIGS NO RIGHT TO GET PHYSICAL , NEXT THEYLL BE DEFENDING THEMSELVES WITH A VILOENT ACT AGAINST THE POLICE AND I DONT BLAME THEM , THEY CAN ACCEPT THE TICKETS BUT THEY WONT BE TOLERATING THE PUNCHES TO THE HEAD MUCH LONGER

[WINJA]

I concur.. Twat in suit almost certainly deserved it. He was being a drunken prat which is why he was arrested in the first place.

THE GUY DESERVED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS IN COURT NOT TO BE SPRAYED WITH PEPPER SPRAY WHILE DEFENCELESS , I DONT KNOW WHY YOU GUYS CANT SEE HOW COWARDLY THAT PIGS ACTIONS WERE , LET HIM STAND UP GIVE HIM A BASEBALL BAT AND THEN SPRAY HIM ,THAT IS WHAT THE SPRAY IS FOR AFTER ALL , NOT TORTURING PEOPLE .

[MSTRS:Me]

THE GUY DESERVED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS IN COURT NOT TO BE SPRAYED WITH PEPPER SPRAY WHILE DEFENCELESS , I DONT KNOW WHY YOU GUYS CANT SEE HOW COWARDLY THAT PIGS ACTIONS WERE , LET HIM STAND UP GIVE HIM A BASEBALL BAT AND THEN SPRAY HIM ,THAT IS WHAT THE SPRAY IS FOR AFTER ALL , NOT TORTURING PEOPLE .

Exactly. Pepper spray is a DEFENCE weapon. What did that cop think he needed defending from?

[Skyryder]

It was the action of a bully. They come in all shapes and sizes. But bullys all have one thing in common they act in packs. The cop was in a pack 'wanting' to be the 'tuff' guy. Probably why he joined.

Skyryder

[Winston001]

SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS THAT IN THE POLICES OWN OPINION HE DESRVED TO BE SPRAYED , AS LONG AS HES NOT A RAPIST OR KIDDY FIDDLER I CANT SEE WHY THEY WOULD HAVE A REASON TO PUNISH THE GUY , HE MAY BE AN ARSEHOLE HE MAYBE A FUCKEN JERK BUT ITS NEVER THE PIGS ROLE TO DISH OUT PUNISHMENT , PUNISHMENT IS THE JOB OF A JURY OR JUDGE NOT A PIG WHOSE ALL CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT. AS FOR DOING A BETTER JOB THATS NOT VERY HARD BUT I NEVER CHOOSE THAT AS MY JOB SO ILL DO MY JOB WELL AND I EXPECT THE PIGS TO DO THE SAME , NO IFS NO BUTS NO EXCUSES THAT COP NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE.

I JUST MET A YOUNG GUY TODAY , HE'S A BIT OF A WISE ARSE AND HE SAYS THE PIGS DISH OUT HIDINGS TO HIS MATES OR HIM FREQUENTLY , THEY SPEED AND THEY DO STOP AND THEY MOUTH OFF BUT ITS STILL GIVES THE PIGS NO RIGHT TO GET PHYSICAL , NEXT THEYLL BE DEFENDING THEMSELVES WITH A VILOENT ACT AGAINST THE POLICE AND I DONT BLAME THEM , THEY CAN ACCEPT THE TICKETS BUT THEY WONT BE TOLERATING THE PUNCHES TO THE HEAD MUCH LONGER

I agree with WINJA. Police are trained not to react to abuse etc. Just like ambos and firemen. They all deal with people in situations of stress when attitudes can get out of control. But being professional means you suck it up and ensure the citizen doesn't accidentally bump into a few doors while you are "helping" him.

From what I saw, a young constable reached to his belt, leaned forward slightly, sprayed at the man on the ground and then put the spray back on his belt. It was amazingly casual. No anger or aggressive moves by the officer - it was almost incidental to whatever else he and the other officers were discussing.

Bad look. That boys a gone coon.