Cops and that pepper spray

**spudchucka** · 10th May 2006, 14:08

Originally Posted by Ixion

I do not see that the police have any grounds to object to the matter being investigated.

Neither do I. If the incident is such that it requires the use of force then the justification for that use of force should stand up to investigation. As a cop you know this any time that you use force.

Originally Posted by Ixion

In this case, there would certainly seem to be prima facie evidence.

Indeed, however, there has been no investigation as yet, only a 20 second video and an interview with the person at the centre of the incident. That and few high profile personalities sticking their beaks in because they have seized on the incident to push their own personal political barrow.

Originally Posted by Ixion

And as the cops involved are not being charged just investigated by the PCA, who are themselves cops, they will certainly have an easier time than Joe Public would.

Not at all. If you could see the level of investigation that goes into a PCA file compared to any other investigation file you would be stunned. But don't believe me, I'm just another pig hiding behind the blue veil of silence.

**spudchucka** · 10th May 2006, 14:14

Originally Posted by jimbo600

Doesn't that OC spray go everywhere? Thought you might have copped a bit of spray yourself in a confined space such as a car. Thats why I reckon the guy on tv is full of it when he said he was sprayed again in the back of the van.

Bring on Tazers.

It shoots out a fairly fine stream that is aimed directly at the subject but in confined spaces the air will fill with particles, which do effect anyone else in the area. The effect is usually just coughing and watering eyes, not too bad but still pretty unpleasent. It does clean out the sinus passages quite well if you have a cold though.

**Patrick** · 10th May 2006, 14:21

Heres some news for ya...

Turns out the guy was arrested for playing up big time, as we know. While playing up, cops were advised, cameraman nearby overheard it and tagged along. Cops asked him to film the goings on, which he did, as it was still happening when they all arrived outside. Filmed the behaviour, the cops trying to talk to him, him firing up and letting loose, eventually being overpowered enough for cuffs to be put on, but that didn't stop him...

But we only see the spray part on TV... go figure...

**The_Dover** · 10th May 2006, 14:28

If he was being that raucous why was he not pepper sprayed before he was cuffed?

From what I saw he was in no position to attack the cop, the cop did not look too concerned by the guy and just decided to give him a dose for shits and giggles.

It may be a hard job that the bacon have to do but was it REALLY necessary to pepper spray a cuffed man? Didn't look like it from the comfort of my couch.

**Squeak the Rat** · 10th May 2006, 14:49

Originally Posted by Patrick

But hey, lets convict and shoot the cop now, without trial, etc etc... deny him the rights every one else has... including kiddie fiddlers/murderers etc...

Agree, let's not assume the cop is guilty. Using the same arguments, let's not assume he's innocent either.

One thing I'd like to say is that while I don't always agree with what the coppas here say (just like i don't always agree with what everyone else on kb says all the time), I do appreciate posts from you guys as it's good to see others opinions. Good example is Spuds earlier which in the face of perceived criticism was well considered, offered some great points and did what an argument is supposed to do, it made me look at it from a different perspective.

I regret getting sucked into posting in this thread - my points were not well made. No offence was intended to individuals, I blame my current literary constipation on the P. I mean pseudoephedrine.....

thread. see you in the next one.

**Lou Girardin** · 10th May 2006, 14:49

You can't argue with what was shown, the guy was cuffed on the ground, barely moving his leg and the cop sprayed him. According to the drunk, he was sprayed again in the wagon. Even if he was calling the cops Mother ten kinds of whore, they're supposed to be above cheap retaliation.
But the worst part is the sheer arrogance of doing it in front of the camera.
Did he think he was untouchable, or did he think that was a legitimate action?
Either way, he needs to be shown he was wrong.

**Pixie** · 10th May 2006, 15:00

Originally Posted by vs04

And before somebody says something,no i dont know what an assnole is,asshole, yes, assnole, i,m not sure.

The Assy Nole
Where the 2nd gunshot came from

**Lou Girardin** · 10th May 2006, 15:13

Originally Posted by Patrick

Not quite right. PCA is independent from Police. Initial enquiries conducted by Police, but PCA is headed by a judge with a team of investigators. Watch this space, this will go through all the motions, just to show how up front the Police Dept is.

The Tui moment of the year.

**Pixie** · 10th May 2006, 15:16

Originally Posted by spudchucka

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Whats to say the guy wasn't self harming, biting, spitting or sucking himself off in plain view of the prime minister. You certainly wouldn't know from the news article.

Well if the guy on the video was doing the above,do the following:
Biting-move away
spitting-move away
self harming-wish him well
Auto-fellatio in front of the PM-she wouldn't know what he was doing anyway

**oldrider** · 10th May 2006, 16:15

Originally Posted by marty

oh how easily the lines of truth are blurred. (by whom??)

i'm sure i only saw about 5 seconds of activity before he was sprayed. where did you see 'quite some minutes' of same? (who's really counting it all seemed slow)

and it was the cop on the guys left. (My right)

and believe me, you don't have to be angry to spray someone. it may (should) have been a calculated decision to do so. (I would have sprayed him long before that)

the guys mate standing there didn't seem too perturbed by it all - was he aware that the spray was imminent?
(I think I inferred that too)

Are you just being a little too emotional to notice that I said the same thing that you have, I was thinking in support of the police. I can't see that the TV clip gave the true picture of the whole event! So who's blurring the truth? Settle down.

John.