Cops and that pepper spray

[Hitcher]

I've never known anyone to be physicaly injured by the use of their tounge.

I've never met anybody with a tounge, so am unable to proffer an opinion...

[750Y]

i support the role of police(in general terms). i also like to examine the facts on a case by case basis before forming my conclusions...
"...all he believes are his eyes, but his eyes they just tell lies..".

[notme]

Talking to some of the police involved the guy thoroughly deserved it. If you guys had seen the full picture and audio (subtly edited by TV3), you woulda done the same thing or worse.
The only reason theres an investigation is because there was a "Use of Force" form filled out, which is mandatory after pepper spray and the likes.
Get over yourselves you wankers, if you think you can do a better job then why dont you try.

And therin lies the real issue.

How about from this point onwards we only accept criticism from those who do a similar job huh?
Sounds like another Tui billboard - "yeah right".....

It's easy to be judgemental from behind the safety of a keyboard....

[Patrick]

The Tui moment of the year.

Yep... I see you're still drinking way too much of the stuff... when it gives you the shits, it's supposed to come out of your arse...

[Lou Girardin]

Yep... I see you're still drinking way too much of the stuff... when it gives you the shits, it's supposed to come out of your arse...

Perhaps.
But I see that Howard Broad and Mark Burton have just announced that legislation is going to be introduced to enable an INDEPENDANT Police Complaints Authority (their words). They'll have their own investigators and it'll be overseen by a tribunal.
Apart from you, everyone else thinks that the current PCA is independant in the same way that the applicator of whitewash is independant from the manufacturer.
Once again the troops are by the bosses.
BTW D50, feel free to think of a Tui moment for this one.

[spudchucka]

The guy was cuffed and docile. I've never known anyone to be physicaly injured by the use of their tounge.

But what??

Skyryder

You're 100% certain that it was just because he was giving some lip? Funny that considering there wasn't any audio and they only showed the last few seconds of the entire incident.

[spudchucka]

It's easy to be judgemental from behind the safety of a keyboard....

And its easy to form conclusive opinions from the comfort of your sofa, sitting in front of your nice 42 inch plasma, based soley on a snippet of visual information without seeing the entire context of the incident.

[spudchucka]

Perhaps.
But I see that Howard Broad and Mark Burton have just announced that legislation is going to be introduced to enable an INDEPENDANT Police Complaints Authority (their words). They'll have their own investigators and it'll be overseen by a tribunal.
Apart from you, everyone else thinks that the current PCA is independant in the same way that the applicator of whitewash is independant from the manufacturer.
Once again the troops are by the bosses.
BTW D50, feel free to think of a Tui moment for this one.

Thats been on the cards for ages and is in no way a response to this incident, its just brought the subject into the public forum again.

The funny thing is that when cops get investigated and the complaint leads to the cop being charged who do you think will manage the prosecution? Who will interview the cops involved? Who would have the knowledge and experience to be able to recognise when cops are closing ranks to protect a colleague?

The reality is that the serious complaints will still be investigated by senior cops and the changes to the PCA will be largely cosmetic, for the sake of public perceptions.

[Lou Girardin]

Thats been on the cards for ages and is in no way a response to this incident, its just brought the subject into the public forum again.
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No one said that Spud, Pollies and bosses never move that fast.
You never know, this new guy might actually serve the Police well.
Even if it's just getting public respect out of the basement.

[NC]

I can't wait till they bring in the tazers

Everyones going to be running around with a video camera

[spudchucka]

No one said that Spud, Pollies and bosses never move that fast.

They haven't been talking about it on the six o'clock news but its been there in the background for quite some time.

You never know, this new guy might actually serve the Police well.

Broad seems to be coming from the right angle to me, I'm happy to wait and see where he takes things. He has inherited a much tidier organisation than Robbie did so perhaps we will see some good improvements.

Even if it's just getting public respect out of the basement.

For every knocker there are plenty of supporters, public support will always ebb back and forth depending upon current events and the mood of the nation but I agree that there is plenty the police can do to help improves matters.

[ManDownUnder]

No one said that Spud, Pollies and bosses never move that fast.
You never know, this new guy might actually serve the Police well.
Even if it's just getting public respect out of the basement.

Except for Polly pay rise time.

"ARRPPP - POLLY WANTS MORE CRACKERS - ARRRRPP"

One of the few times you get silence in the house when it comes to debate time. And always passed under urgency - kinda like the morning after a well brewed curry.

The fallout's not too dissimilar either - no-one else wants a part of it, but those that benefit feel wonderful.

Go figure
MDU

[idb]

Those tazers will be just the thing for the Traffic Cops.
Just lean out the window as the motorcycling miscreant goes past and bring him down!

[Lou Girardin]

Sorry D50, it seems that serving cops will be out of the loop.

[GR81]

Sorry D50, it seems that serving cops will be out of the loop.

bit like this you rekon?