KB racing sponsorship yet again!

[DemonWolf]

OR,

The Biggest problem at the moment for a few of us is Pits.

The money could be used to hire a set of pits or a huge EzUp. Then we can all get together and work as one really big race team. Something that will attract a lot of attention. The more attention you attract the more sponsers will like it !

well ......... yea. i dunno

I like this idea as well. get under the KB umbrella as it were. People are easily accessibe and help can be given.. of course not all KB'ers would want to be there... but I think its a good idea to start with =)

[SwanTiger]

I don't see the point in funding people who are already "in" racing as its obvious they can already budget/affoard it.

A better concept would be to encourage the huge pool of talented riders who are members of this site to begin racing.

On top of that, or as a more practical idea, it'd be good to have PRIZE MONEY for races so that people have to affoard themselves into an event/series and prove it (i.e. win/place well) to earn that prize money.

[sugilite:Me]

I've always found the sponsorship thing really hard. When I was young I lacked confidence to go and find it, and now I'm a old bastard I'd feel like I would be stealing lollies from kids pockets!

I like the shared resources idea floated by a few already.
That would get rid of the clicky groups and associates thing.
The idea of a huge ezi up or two done in KB colors would rock my world.
I was thinking, a decent sized generator could be hired for tyre warmers, Power tools etc...
If there were funds left over from that level, then maybe subsidized fuel could be looked at.
Hell you could put on a ezi up for KB Race Supporters with the KB coffee machine and "V" cooler lol.
This would not just be good for the racers but KB as a online/offline community in general.

When you think about it, the huge money is in merchandising in cage racing.
It would be cool to see KB merchandising at KB HQ trackside.
This could even be expanded later to KB racers having their own t-shirts for sale so their adoring fans can show their support. I feel there is a lot of potential there.

[sugilite:Me]

puts hand up would appreciate someone to sitdown & talk/discuss/answer racing/riding stuff ...to me it would be worth more any money/sponser.
(i struggle for $ to be on track, but that is just part of racing...we do the best we can couse we lov what we do)

Good point babyB. I'm quite happy to talk to newbie racers or even KB race supporters on any aspect of riding.
Rule of thumb at race meetings for me is, if I'm working on one of my bikes, say hi and keep moving lol, if I'm sitting or standing there with a vacant expression on my face, feel free to stop and talk bikes/riding!
I'm number #73 superbike and post classic bikes (Green ones )

[Two Smoker]

I don't see the point in funding people who are already "in" racing as its obvious they can already budget/affoard it.

A better concept would be to encourage the huge pool of talented riders who are members of this site to begin racing.

On top of that, or as a more practical idea, it'd be good to have PRIZE MONEY for races so that people have to affoard themselves into an event/series and prove it (i.e. win/place well) to earn that prize money.

I part agree with you... Yes others should be encouraged to race from the huge pool of talented riders out there (I note N4CR as one that could, and recent ones such as Loosebruce and dss3)...

BUT.... Just because i race doesnt mean i am financially off/can afford it or budget for it... Starting racing isnt too bad if you start in Street stock, but once you get up into the higher classes (mainly F2 and superbikes and to a slightly lesser degree F3) the costs are huge... Personally I put absolutely all of my earnings into racing, I dont go out hardly at all if ever (luckily i have a supportative g/f) and i have HUGE debts... My account at the bikeshop hasnt been below $2000 in the past 8 months... I constantly give them money, but i also constantly use tyres, chains, break things etc resulting in the bill increasing. Even though i havent raced in two months im still no where near paying off my bills and recovering financially...

But back to the important part.... Some wicked ideas... there is ofcourse problems with "Who do we give it too" and to give a couple of ideas to that solution... you can give money/things to people that have done really well in their respective class. Or you buy bulk things that many can use (like suglite said) ie generators, eziups etc (these things costs $1000's by the way)...

[Hoon]

I like the KB pit idea better than dividing up money to certain racers. Racing is expensive and I can't see the money going far. If 100 people put in $3-$5 each, that would buy 1 tyre. However $500 could also buy a tent, diesel generator and tyre changing equipment.

If a Team KB were formed, I believe the money would be better spent on equipment (tents, compressor, generator, trick tools etc) not consumables such as oil, tyres. That way all KB racers gets to benefit.

Another benefit of a KB Team would be pooling of resources. 2 bikes in one van would half the travel costs. For example say if TS brought a generator then I wouldn't need to fork out for one, instead I could buy a compressor instead and we could all use them.

[babyB]

Good point babyB. I'm quite happy to talk to newbie racers or even KB race supporters on any aspect of riding.
Rule of thumb at race meetings for me is, if I'm working on one of my bikes, say hi and keep moving lol, if I'm sitting or standing there with a vacant expression on my face, feel free to stop and talk bikes/riding!
I'm number #73 superbike and post classic bikes (Green ones )

but thats the problem, race/track day is not the time for indepth descussions, as you said we are buzy with sorting our bikes & stuff....
theres a thought ,id open my home (when i find a new 1) to round table discussion night(s).

my winge at the moment is i would need a child-minder at taupo new track ....not the place sorry

[SwanTiger]

I part agree with you... Yes others should be encouraged to race from the huge pool of talented riders out there (I note N4CR as one that could, and recent ones such as Loosebruce and dss3)...

BUT.... Just because i race doesnt mean i am financially off/can afford it or budget for it... Starting racing isnt too bad if you start in Street stock, but once you get up into the higher classes (mainly F2 and superbikes and to a slightly lesser degree F3) the costs are huge... Personally I put absolutely all of my earnings into racing, I dont go out hardly at all if ever (luckily i have a supportative g/f) and i have HUGE debts... My account at the bikeshop hasnt been below $2000 in the past 8 months... I constantly give them money, but i also constantly use tyres, chains, break things etc resulting in the bill increasing. Even though i havent raced in two months im still no where near paying off my bills and recovering financially...

Well this is where I was heading with the Prize Money idea.

Its a bit like natural selection, only the top riders who WIN will get the money and be able to pay for tyres, engine parts and so forth. Those who don't win get pushed out of racing or into lower classes where it is cheaper.

The ones who win and earn the rewards can progress. Heaps more people would give racing a go if there was $20,000 to be won over a series.

What is the point in giving someone $5,000 for racing and they get no where.

I think this is what NZ racing lacks... lots of ambition and no reward.

Thats just hand outs and it matches our society! (and the Government) and look where that is heading.

[Sketchy_Racer]

yep your onto it swanny.

There is no reward for all the money you put into it.

I am a lucky one. A very lucky one. My bike is sponserd 100% fuel and all.

I have to pay my entry and travelling cost. Even that is still $200 each meeting. I make $80 a week at the moment and there is a race every month. Not much to spare huh...

The rest of my money is spent for fuel to get to work and college. and new bits and pieces. My parents don't help me at all. they will lend me small amounts of money, but i have to pay it back.

But for me the reward of racing is doing good and having SO much fun. The amount of fun i have is unexplainable. On a scale of 1 - 10 it would be 10000.....

I know its a harsh reality. But the fact (as you pointed out) there is not much use giving the slowest falla there $5000 to go round a track on a F2 600cc machine when he can do it on a streetstock for $200 a race meeting.

Others, like Vtec, who are proving them selves to be very quick riders SHOULD get the money. To a Degree anyway.

I really really like the idea of getting a KB Pit though. It wouldnt be compusory that if you were a KBer that you have to be there. But i think most would like the idea!

-RG

[motobob]

Interesting thread madduck. There are many opinions on how the money (of which there isn't any) should be spent. The first point should be does the average KB'er want to support racers who are on the KB forum. If they do then what benefits would they like to see. What the 50 to 100 KB racers want is secondary.

If they want wins then they should forget about KB and send their donations straight to Sam Smith. Easy huh.

Want to support a talented KB racer. Then a short list of riders from all over NZ should be drawn up. What defines a KB racer, list of requirements needs to be formulated.

Want to support the great unwashed without whom the talented guys look good against. This is the hardest. $5 doesn't go far but they appreciate all the help they get.

What events and or classes should be supported.

If a fund is available should it be split various ways.

Decisions required. Committee needed, Presumably this discussion is about road racers so what about other disiplines.

I know it is a lot of questions but direction is required from those members who would like to contribute to the proposed fund. So far I haven't seen any.

On to another idea, the racer fraternity should form a "race committee" to chase after those elusive dollars. Which is where this thread appears to be heading.

[FROSTY:Me]

And maybe some of the 'richer' racers can help out the budding racers with 'stuff' and advice.

RICHER RACERS RICHER RACERS
OMG --I AINT HEARD ANYFINK SO FUNNY
ya mean more broke racers doncha?
nahh mate -I get ya point ---Stuff more experienced racers dont even think about are a total eye opener for "newbee" racers.
I'm more than happy to offer any advice my limited experience can help with.

[babyB]

RICHER RACERS RICHER RACERS
OMG --I AINT HEARD ANYFINK SO FUNNY
ya mean more broke racers doncha?
nahh mate -I get ya point ---Stuff more experienced racers dont even think about are a total eye opener for "newbee" racers.
I'm more than happy to offer any advice my limited experience can help with.

so when ya comming ta see me....ill even supply lemon tea
good old fashoned advice is all im after

i dont expect the the RC club to give me $ for being a member so i sure dont expect $ from KB for racing......imho if ya wanna give $ give it to Spankme for keeping this site running for all to enjoy

[Sketchy_Racer]

RICHER RACERS RICHER RACERS
OMG --I AINT HEARD ANYFINK SO FUNNY
ya mean more broke racers doncha?
nahh mate -I get ya point ---Stuff more experienced racers dont even think about are a total eye opener for "newbee" racers.
I'm more than happy to offer any advice my limited experience can help with.

Oh...... sorry.. i thougt such things existed.........

[FROSTY:Me]

Heres my opinion.If people want to contribute to a racer,race team or an event thats bloody fantastic. I dont begrudge any other KBer getting support/sponsorship from fellow KBers.
Ive seen several Kbers putting their money where their mouths are and help/support a racer or team.
One thing I believe is we need to take Wari's racer profile thread and maybee take it to a logical conclusion.
As an example heres my profile
FROSTY here. l I started out racing in the mid eighties on bucket racers.
My first races were at a long gone track created on the Wiri container terminal on a honda MB50
I moved up to a cb125 then found a bucket that actually handled -a suzuki rg50.
My first big bike racing was on a RD250LC Back in 1980 summat in a long gone class called 250 production.(250 two stroke ) I moved up to a later model 250 then raced a 600 and a couple of other bikes Including an old xj750 police special. I was always mid field with the occasional bit of brilliance (OR LUCK) that shot me to the front.
I did a street race at manukau city and a few national rounds. I think I even threw a whole national series together one year.
I had a couple of decent crashes close together -one road then one on"the hill' at puke that smashed my left shoulder to the point my left arm diddnt work propperly and damaged my neck.
After a 10-12 year layoff Im back racing again -
I did one full season on a 1989 zxr400. I learned a heck of a lot and managed to finish third overall in formula 3 and pre89 in the amcc club series.
This season I swapped over to my carbied SV650
I did the full AMCC club series and the full PMcc club series
My Amcc series went well with a 5 first place finishes in Formula 3 and an overall series win in Formula 3 in the AMCC series.
Next step is to do the full national race series. I'm planning on do so this season (06/07)
Ultimately my aim is to race in the Isle Of Mann --Its a lifetime long dream that I hope to realise within the next two years.
This all takes money,organisation and the talent to get there -well Im working on the talent bit.
I WILL GET THERE --YOU JUST WATCH ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anybody on KB is looking for a racer to support either personally or through their company I'm definitely keen.
What I can offer is
Naming rights to my team gear -bike/leathers/race van
Bike,race van and leathers only at the moment have metzler stickers on them.I'm happy to promote a sponsors product or company with stickers and by nameing them as my major sponsor at any event I attend.
At this point my bike is going to be repainted and could be painted in a sponsors colors.
There are also other ways I would apreciate assistance. Footpeg/gear shifter/footpeg bracket/crash bung manufacture. The actual painting of the bike.Maitainence of my race transport van.Tyres -I need 10 sets this season at about $500 a set.
This is an example --Some folk want to be involved and need it to be a two way street

[MattRSK]

anyone keen on sponsering me with some cheap race leathers. I am 6' 2" and 65 kg. Want to go streetstock racing but cannot afford the mandatory race leathers on top of everything else. Thanks