Pit bulls

**Madmax** · 20th May 2006, 16:47

Originally Posted by scumdog

Still goes on down here in Redneck Heaven - it bites/it dies.
And the (ex)owners are lucky if they are not prosecuted.

works for me 7.62 lead sedative (bushmaster or FN or what ever)
Ps who ever came up with bushmaster sounds quite sexual ???

**scumdog** · 20th May 2006, 18:14

Originally Posted by Madmax

works for me 7.62 lead sedative (bushmaster or FN or what ever)
Ps who ever came up with bushmaster sounds quite sexual ???

Well I suppose it's fun to play with and you can f*** things with one.

**chanceyy** · 20th May 2006, 20:00

I have grown up around dogs my entire life. Our dogs have always been pets but knew their place in the pack. I can remember only ever teasing our old dog once, my dad smaked my ass that blardy hard, and i have never teased another dog since.

when i was older I wanted a rottie .. and this was during the period when rotties had attacked and in some cases killed people. My mother was horrified, esp when the dog i got was a bitch that had been mistreated and had a few mental issues ..

that dog competed in obdience, agility and was trained in Search & Rescue. We ran 3 bitches on our section, & I was head bitch, again my dog knew where she fit in the pack situation. I had that dog for 14 fantastic yrs & she never put a foot wrong but i had to watch her like a hawk around sheep. and by god I did...I also never left her with children unattended ever .. as we know what kids are like

I used to take her out horse riding with me around the roads, and verbal commands were used to control her. Other dogs roaming free could have been an issue but with a horse rushing at them and my dog in a down position used to make them back off. We were well known identities around our town, & as i used to take her with me to work, we established a fabulous reputation for the breed, but mostly of good training.

I agree that the responsible owners will be the ones chipping and tattooing their dogs, the issue is currently those ppl who will not and do not take responsibilty for their dogs, they are the ones who have a dog but never train it, never establish where it fits in the pack. The ones who allow their dogs to roam free at nite, no regard on where it may go, & this is where it joins up with all the other stray dogs and forms a pack then causes havoc.

there are a number of dogs who have bad reputations, & yes like some humans can have inherit bad traits, we can not generalise on breeds as such. Certain breeds of dogs require certain types of individuals to control them, but all dogs regardless of breed or size require basic obedience and all should be able to drop on command.

when ppl understand the predatory instinct of a dog and their need to be placed in a pack ..(humans can form their pack) when ppl learn to treat a dog like a dog & not a like a child, assert dominance, respect, and basic obedience, and most of all correctly restrain the animal on their own section at all times. this means knowing where your animal is 24/7 no exceptions, will the issues lessen .. but unfortunately dogs have become a status symbol, to alot of ppl, or ppl get a dog for the family as a pet but they have no idea of the basic framework of what the dog requires

Rather than chipping dogs a register of owners would be a good thing and yes like gaining a gun license, a license to own a dog and be trained in requirements of basic animal care and responsibility would be a good start. Unfortunately again its not the majority of dog owners who cause the issue its the minority, who do not care, & have a dog for all the wrong reasons. It is impossible to stop these ppl from having a dog.

**Kendog** · 21st May 2006, 11:08

Maybe Rotties just like horses, our rottie used to run about the paddock playing with my horse for hours. (Saved me having to ride him on a wet day!). Think he was a bit lucky to never get a hoof in the head though!
Mrs KD

**chanceyy** · 21st May 2006, 16:13

Originally Posted by Kendog

Maybe Rotties just like horses, our rottie used to run about the paddock playing with my horse for hours. (Saved me having to ride him on a wet day!). Think he was a bit lucky to never get a hoof in the head though!
Mrs KD

Never used to leave the dog and horses unattended either, since i got my dog and she was already a yr old had to do a bit of work to get her to ignore the horses, and likewise with the horses to leave her alone. But they tolerated each other,

funnily enough at present my horses are at my g/freinds and she has 7 dogs, horses do not seem to mind the dogs, however had a dog up the road come out to attack my horse had to bail fast and get between them and get active to get him to back off (no way was he going to stop) .. he seemed to be a mastiff cross.

**Shadows** · 21st May 2006, 20:07

I don't really like dogs. They smell bad, constantly need attention, dig holes, shit everywhere, eat too much, sit and drool in front of you when you are eating, want to sleep on the couch, etc etc.

Having said that I know a several pit bull owners and I've found their dogs to be extremely good natured, obedient and well behaved. I am more than happy to let my 2 year old daughter play with them, I have no concerns at all that they would do anything worse than cover her in slobber.
I believe these kinds of dogs are only as bad as the owners raise them to be.

Retrain the dogs and put down the owners.

**Madmax** · 21st May 2006, 20:26

Originally Posted by Shadmeister

I don't really like dogs. They smell bad, constantly need attention, dig holes, shit everywhere, eat too much, sit and drool in front of you when you are eating, want to sleep on the couch, etc etc.

Having said that I know a several pit bull owners and I've found their dogs to be extremely good natured, obedient and well behaved. I am more than happy to let my 2 year old daughter play with them, I have no concerns at all that they would do anything worse than cover her in slobber.
I believe these kinds of dogs are only as bad as the owners raise them to be.

Retrain the dogs and put down the owners.

were not aloud to put down the owners
YET (fn bushmaster etc, still love that name)

**chanceyy** · 21st May 2006, 20:26

Originally Posted by Shadmeister

I am more than happy to let my 2 year old daughter play with them, I have no concerns at all that they would do anything worse than cover her in slobber.

Never leave children and dogs unattended, as dogs are always trying to up themselves in the pack this is when kids generally get hurt, also kids being kids will tease, play, torment dogs without even realising it.

I believe these kinds of dogs are only as bad as the owners raise them to be.

Retrain the dogs and put down the owners

too true, also it would be great if ppl did a bit of research into the type of dog that suits their personality, ability, and fits into their family & lifestyle.

**Shadows** · 21st May 2006, 21:02

Originally Posted by chanceyy

Never leave children and dogs unattended, as dogs are always trying to up themselves in the pack this is when kids generally get hurt, also kids being kids will tease, play, torment dogs without even realising it.

No we decided we would never leave her unattended with them after we found her with her finger up my mates English bull terrier's front bum. The dog was lying on her back looking quite happy actually.
True story, wish I caught it on camera

PS Does that constitute teasing, playing, tormenting or all three?

**chanceyy** · 21st May 2006, 21:08

Originally Posted by Shadmeister

No we decided we would never leave her unattended with them after we found her with her finger up my mates English bull terrier's front bum. The dog was lying on her back looking quite happy actually.
True story, wish I caught it on camera

PS Does that constitute teasing, playing, tormenting or all three?

well since you said the dog was enjoying it .. guess that comes under teasin, after all she may have wanted more .. playing, cause she was enjoying it .. and tormenting since your daughter prob did not have all the equipment she would have wanted

**kro** · 21st May 2006, 21:23

There are breeds of dog that are not suitable for domestication, due to their primal instincts being greater than the ability to tame them, thus creating what we see here in this thread.

The owners of such dogs have a responsibility to ensure the animal is not left in a position to harm others, and this often does not happen. The owners should be jailed in the event that it happens, and the dog destroyed.

**buellbabe** · 22nd May 2006, 07:14

Originally Posted by Big Dave

I rang animal protection for an update......
..... When I suggested a bullet would be easier, they were professional and sympathetic - just folks doing their job.

I understand it's a council decision - I'll trust the system. (and the network of chaps of influence I'm chummy with.)

Well I hope you don't live in Manukau... the people on the other side of my neighbour have 5 mongrels on their property...they are nasty dogs and my neighbour is actually selling her house and moving cos she has gotten sick of being bailed up on her own doorstep as the owners are too lazy to control their mutts. She rang Dog control and made a complaint, the dogs were removed and then 2 days later they were back! I was flabbergasted, I have had my place inspected and actually paid to have a licence for 3 dogs on my property and yet these A-holes have 5 on a section only big enuf for 1!!! When the rangers were questioned over this they looked sheepish and said the Manukau Council just didn't have time/money or manpower to enforce its own by-laws!!!

**Big Dave** · 22nd May 2006, 09:48

Originally Posted by buellbabe

Well I hope you don't live in Manukau... - didn't have time/money or manpower to enforce its own by-laws!!!

I don't, and I do - even if I have to do it privately.

**Smorg** · 22nd May 2006, 10:08

Originally Posted by Shadmeister

No we decided we would never leave her unattended with them after we found her with her finger up my mates English bull terrier's front bum. The dog was lying on her back looking quite happy actually.
True story, wish I caught it on camera

PS Does that constitute teasing, playing, tormenting or all three?

Dude thats fucked up.......

**chanceyy** · 22nd May 2006, 17:45

Originally Posted by buellbabe

Well I hope you don't live in Manukau... the people on the other side of my neighbour have 5 mongrels on their property...they are nasty dogs and my neighbour is actually selling her house and moving cos she has gotten sick of being bailed up on her own doorstep as the owners are too lazy to control their mutts. She rang Dog control and made a complaint, the dogs were removed and then 2 days later they were back! I was flabbergasted, I have had my place inspected and actually paid to have a licence for 3 dogs on my property and yet these A-holes have 5 on a section only big enuf for 1!!! When the rangers were questioned over this they looked sheepish and said the Manukau Council just didn't have time/money or manpower to enforce its own by-laws!!!

now that is disgusting, ppl being forced to sell their homes cause they can not walk out their front door