Pit bulls

[Da Bird]

My German Shepherd was attacked by a roaming pit bull last year... I just let go of his leash so he had a fighting chance. As luck would have it (and it was probably only luck) my dog came off best and left the pit bull limping up the driveway with a stuffed leg. My dog was limping for about 5 minutes as well but came right thankfully.

I called the dog ranger and he rang me the next day saying my dog had left a large "hole" in the pitt bull's leg which needed vet treatment (and the owners wondered what had happened to it...).

It was the scariest thing to watch, your own dog virtually fighting for its life. A couple of people in a car saw the attack and came back with a piece of wood (although a little too late) which was thoughtful.

Fortunately I knew which house the dog came from and the owners were prosecuted. The case just went to court a few weeks ago and they got fined $1000.00 plus court costs (which they will likely pay at $4.63 a week).

I don't care that some pit bulls may be "nice little dogs" in the right hands. The fact is many of them are in the wrong hands (i.e people who cant look after them / let them wander the streets) and they should be banned. They are bloody dangerous. Of course breeders are going to be upset, they will be out of business. Personally, I think any dog that is 50% or more pit bull should be banned (but then you get into the arguments of what percentage of pit bull a dog is).

BC.

[Connor]

I was with the SPCA in Wgtn in 95 when the Govt of the day decided to allow these P.O.S into the country , this was at the time when the Brits had just outlawed them , for obvious reasons. Have you noticed that 90 per cent of the owners of these dogs have an attitude similar to their dogs.
By the way was that you I saw on NW motorway before Pt Chev off ramp 2230hrs.

[Da Bird]

No, not me. I try and stay away from the motorway if I can help it.

BC

[Rashika]

I don't care that some pit bulls may be "nice little dogs" in the right hands. The fact is many of them are in the wrong hands (i.e people who cant look after them / let them wander the streets) and they should be banned. They are bloody dangerous. Of course breeders are going to be upset, they will be out of business. Personally, I think any dog that is 50% or more pit bull should be banned (but then you get into the arguments of what percentage of pit bull a dog is).

BC.

problem being is which breed would you then ban? Just the pitties? Or all the breeds that attack?
Cos if you do that you will have to figure out which ones they are, and even the councils have yet to figure that one out. Media just gets the bullshit into our heads, not the real facts and figures.
Trying a search to find out what they are and this is about the best semi-factual stuff I could find
http://www.beehive.govt.nz/ViewDocum...cumentID=16315

Note the breeds... · Only very patchy information is collected by councils on attacks by specific breeds but what is available shows the breeds most commonly identified in attacks are: staffordshire bull terriers, german shepherds, labradors, bull terriers, rottweilers, pit bull terriers.
yup and apparently from what i know from several lab owners, they are one of the worst offenders, gonna try and ban them too?
Banning dogs wont work... making owners PROVE they are worthy would at least be a start, no licence, no dog.
Mind you that would prob be as easy as enforcing the speed and drink drve laws
I would actually happily pay more for dog licence IF I knew they were actually enforcing that law... but for a lot of councils it is just too hard to enforce properly

[buellbabe]

Hey Rashika, doesn't that story about the German Shepherd bring back some memories for you? If I recall rightly you were on yr pushbike with yr Staffy Zac on a harness pulling ya along and suddenly a German Shepherd ran out of its property and jumped on Zac??? I seem to remember that after Zac got over his initial surprise you let go of the harness(?) and he went to town on the Shepherd which definately came off 2nd best... Zac was a top dog and was quite justified in defending himself.

I had my 2 bitches on leads up at the Botannical Gardens 1 day and this strange dog came wandering over (to say hello I thought and no sign of an owner so I was trying to keep my 2 calm). Anyways next moment it sunk its teeth into my Mastif/Ridgebacks chest! All hell broke loose, before Dyna could pull herself free Shar ( my Rotty/HuntawayX ) grabbed hold of the strays hind leg and started ripping, then Dyna shook herself free and latched onto its head!
Thru all of this I still had hold of the leads and managed to pull my 2 off it a couple of times, (cos bear in mind we were in a VERY public place) but the stoopid thing kept coming back for more. Finally I managed to give it an almighty kick that sent it flying just as 2 other dog walkers came running to my aid...
BUT the thing that REALLY pissed me off was that a group of 3 people were standing watching but not one of the pansies tried to help!! The dog walkers that did come to my aid had run from the other side of the Gardens, they said you could hear the fight and feared the worst!
The only good thing to come out of it is that most people give me and 'the girls' a pretty wide berth now!!!

[Rashika]

Hey Rashika, doesn't that story about the German Shepherd bring back some memories for you? If I recall rightly you were on yr pushbike with yr Staffy Zac on a harness pulling ya along and suddenly a German Shepherd ran out of its property and jumped on Zac??? I seem to remember that after Zac got over his initial surprise you let go of the harness(?) and he went to town on the Shepherd which definately came off 2nd best... Zac was a top dog and was quite justified in defending himself.

shit yeah...that one will be with me for life i think.
What astounded me was that this dog picked up Zac by the side and tried to rip him apart 2 or 3 times before deciding that 20odd kgs was just too heavy for him to lift, so Zac got a chance to latch on to the dogs face, his teeth thru the dogs eyesocket, and just grimly hung on...didn't do anything else, just hung there literally as his front feet were well off the ground.
Meanwhile I'm trying to get them apart, standing in the middle of the road, while the bus and traffic has stopped ...and the other owner FINALLY turned up, from his backyard, where he had had the dog unrestrained and it had run out from to attach my dog ...fkn retard. Find out later that this dog has had his teeth filed down as he has already killed a dog, WTF was it still alive for????

My dog was lucky... as was I probably...guess that explains why I am VERY cautious about other dogs running up to mine. I will always be in the defensive

[buellbabe]

Meanwhile I'm trying to get them apart, standing in the middle of the road, while the bus and traffic has stopped ...

Nice of someone to help...
whats wrong with people? I would have leaped out of my car and come to yr aid even if I didn't know ya...

[Rashika]

Nice of someone to help...
whats wrong with people? I would have leaped out of my car and come to yr aid even if I didn't know ya...

I guess I can sorta understand, scary situation to jump into, but... even just having some backup would be helpful in that situation.
I can almost anticipate what my dog will do, but NOT a strangers one. I certainly would not be stoopid enough to stick my hands into the situation, maybe a large stick

[buellbabe]

Good point mate:-) My attitude comes from the fact that I have had to put the boot into a few strays so I guess I am not particularly bothered by the dangers or maybe I am running on adrenaline at the time... Preventing a full-on bloodbath is generally my aim! So far I have only copped a couple of grazes...

[Big Dave]

problem being is which breed would you then ban?


Banning dogs wont work...

Rubbish. There will be a whole lot less people bitten if Pit Bulls are banned. I can SHOW you those facts in my lounge room right now.

Nearly every person I have spoken too about matt has a horror story with a pit bull to tell.

BAN them and the fuckwits that defend them.

[buellbabe]

I can see yr point Dave and I hope I'm not gonna anger you by saying this: ...facts are that here in NZ German Shepherds and Labradors are the top offenders when it comes to dog attacks. Those were the stats I was presented with at a Council meeting...
Yes really!

[Big Dave]

I can see yr point Dave and I hope I'm not gonna anger you by saying this: ...facts are that here in NZ German Shepherds and Labradors are the top offenders when it comes to dog attacks. Those were the stats I was presented with at a Council meeting...
Yes really!

Hey I meant the hoodied dickwits in South Auckland that keep them as some sort of machismo device to protect their P labs.
I'd like to cut theirs and their dogs nuts off.

[Rashika]

Rubbish. There will be a whole lot less people bitten if Pit Bulls are banned. I can SHOW you those facts in my lounge room right now.

Nearly every person I have spoken too about matt has a horror story with a pit bull to tell.

BAN them and the fuckwits that defend them.

yup, quite possibly...but also a whole lot less bitten if we had no staffies, dobies, rottys, labs, german shepards (insert every breed of dog you can think of cos they will ALL bite) .... its just that larger dogs (including Labs in this group) will cause more damage to a human when they bite.
In banning a breed you are saying that it is only cos it is a Pit bull that makes it dangerous, nothing about the owners influence (or lack of at times).
Dont get me wrong I'm not partiularly taken with pit bulls, but other breeds scare me a little too... I could mention a lot of horror stories with several other breeds as well.

I can see yr point Dave and I hope I'm not gonna anger you by saying this: ...facts are that here in NZ German Shepherds and Labradors are the top offenders when it comes to dog attacks. Those were the stats I was presented with at a Council meeting...
Yes really!

yup tis true, and people cant understand it I guess... I mean aren't labs always cute and cuddly things?

[buellbabe]

Hey I meant the hoodied dickwits in South Auckland that keep them as some sort of machismo device to protect their P labs.
I'd like to cut theirs and their dogs nuts off.

You and me both... the dogs deserve a quick death tho... as for their owners... slow and painful...

[Edbear]

I can see yr point Dave and I hope I'm not gonna anger you by saying this: ...facts are that here in NZ German Shepherds and Labradors are the top offenders when it comes to dog attacks. Those were the stats I was presented with at a Council meeting...
Yes really!

Stats are always dependent on a number of factors, though. Does that take into account the numbers of each breed, or purely the number of attacks? I think there're a lot more Labs in the country than Pitties, wouldn't you say? BIt like the R22 chopper accidents, it's mainly because there's a lot more of them that they are featured in more accidents. My question about dog breeds potential, is why they are bred. Pit Bulls were specifically bred for those qualities now causing such problems. I agree that owners are almost invariably to blame for their lack of responsibility, but there have been too many cases of Pitties attacking owners and their kids to ignore, even those owners who seem to be very responsible. Dog breeds have differing qualities for differing purposes and most dogs are working animals, not ornaments, and should not be kept as such. Any dog will become agitated and frustrated if left to do nothing for long periods, a fact lost on many owners. Sad but true, that too often it's the people who shouldn't have them that have the most.