One hell of a ride.
Originally Posted by Edbear
Exactly what I was going to say - work it out on a number of dogs V number of attacks and I bet it's a different story - but of course hardly any of these killer type dogs will be registered so how would the council know. They probaly mostly attack immediate family members too - so it wouldn't show up on the animal control records either.
tank slappa
Oh absolutely... stats are always open to interpretation! I have to put my dogs in the car and drive them to a reserve to exercise them cos I can't walk them around the streets due to the number of stray dogs wandering around and yep, most of those dogs are of TERRIER descent... and UNregistered... so not on the Authorities radar. My neighbour who is moving (cos of another neighbours mutts) also had to give up delivering circulars cos she was bitten twice by roaming mutts!
...it is better to live 1 day as a Tiger than 1000 years as a sheep...
Forum whore
Ya know, it's owners like you that give these "other" owners a bad name! Ya keep showin' 'em up! They'd 'av us believe it's got nuthin ta do wit their irresponsible attitudes! Jus' like these idiot kids tearing around in their unregistered, unwarranted, illegally lowered death traps, eh? It's their right to...
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
tank slappa
LOL! Oh please don't get me started!!!
One hell of a ride.
Don't worry about angering me - I'm cool - just Aussie and speaking bluntly. Can sound harsh - even amongst Kiwi bikers.
My only strong emotion now is that if the dog had set on Sam and not Matt it could have been...
As proved in this thread - for every 'we have one and it's as fluffy as a kitten' story there are five ' The bastards attacked...'
At least with having loaded firearms lying around - someone has to pull the trigger. ALL eveidence points to the fact that these dogs can go off entirely on their own at any time.
Removing broken record now.
Queen of Chief and Victorious
yup and therein lies the problem... you cant really change something till you can prove there is an issue, e.g real stats about dog attacks (when/where/how/ what). So how would you measure it: what if a dog has 4 breeds in its makeup, would you class each breed being 'bad' or just a % of that? that complicates matters somewhat
I know it seems a bit pedantic, but if you are gonna try to ban or start something (e.g. lowering bike rego etc for reasons been discussed many times on kb) you better have some bloody good facts to back it up...
and only good owners tend to reg their dogs so once again it will end up with us footing the bill for morons who dont/wont/cant control their animals
"Do not meddle in the affairs of Buells, for they are subtle and quick to wheelie!"
--J RR1000 Tolkien
yank tank at Glenorchy 2006 rally
Forum whore
Awww, we won't hold that against ya, Dave! Some of my best friends, and all that....
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
In my opinion,
A dog poorly socialised with other animals is probably 90% more likely to attack and/or kill than one which has been socialised, clearly indicating failure on the owners part.
A dog poorly socialised with human beings is probably 80% more likely to attack and/or kill a human. Where the owner has failed in this area, simple things such as approaching the dog inappropriately will invoke an attack.
A dog placed in an unstable environment with other humans, where it does not learn its place in the "pack", will 100% likely cause problems. Once again, illustrating failure on the owners part often results in their own demise when their dog attacks them.
In all instances, it is the human interaction or lack of interaction is what creates the action that returns the consequence.
Banning the breed certainly wont improve anything as by the time it is enforced; several thousand animals would of been breed and their minimum life expectancy would be 6 - 8 years.
On top of that, the cases of Pure Breed Pit Bulls attacking is extremely rare, more often than not it is mixed breed animals.
Licensing on the other hand tickles my fancy although knowing the Government processes; its effectiveness would never eventuate. But at the end of the day, if the Animal Control Services currently employed did their job properly, then it would resolve the issue of 'Dangerous Dogs' entirely.
But then what do you class as a dangerous dog?
My border collie x lab is medium size and about 24kg, he is trained to "bundle" up a stranger who comes onto our properly or in/near one of our vehicles. If they show aggression he will attack. However, if we introduce a person to property or car he is fine dandy and friendly.
Does that make him a dangerous dog?
A neighbours kid threw a ball over the fence a while back and decided to jump over and grab it. My dog ran after him barking and growling until the fence line, then stopped and came back inside. He did his job as he is trained to do. The father of the kid started to have a go at me but effectively there is nothing he could do, our fenced property, blah blah.
Point being - to someone else my dog would appear 'dangerous' when it isn't, just my dog doing what he is trained to. As is the same for many other dog owners who cop shit from other people who think any sign of 'trained' aggression is bad.
Loud and Uncouth
When the old man was a cop in charge of a Police District in Malaya in the '50s he tasked one Constable to go around with a gun and a shitload on bullets and shoot any wandering unregistered dogs he saw.
A few days and a couple of dozen bullets later and the problem of stray unregistered dogs and attacks in that town was solved.
NO PC bullshit, no PCA crap then - see a problem and solve it in a straightforwards manner.
Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
" Life is not a rehearsal, it's as happy or miserable as you want to make it"
One hell of a ride.
Awww, we won't hold that against ya, Dave! Some of my best friends, and all that....
One of the significant social trans tasman differences is - Bluntness.
Kiwis are less gregarious and more polite - generally.
It's like Aussies are far more inclined to start a conversation in a bank queue. Kiwis wouldn't impose.
Queen of Chief and Victorious
no dont stop the record... start jumping up and down on it, get something done...You have a extremely valid reason to be pissed off, and a good chance to be listened too because of it.
somehow i think banning tho, would be like the proverbial pushing shit up hill, especially now, there are just so many xbreeds out there...how would you get them all? Apart from just hunting down anything that remotely looks like one?
*off to hide my baby*
"Do not meddle in the affairs of Buells, for they are subtle and quick to wheelie!"
--J RR1000 Tolkien
it's been a while..
Sorry to hear about that BigD, hope your son heals up good'n'fast.
I agree with You about certain mixes. Owners are responsible end of story, but certain breeding doesn't help. let's look at what we are dealing with here.
pit bull TERRIER, like staffordshire bull TERRIER. look at the majority of bulldogs they're mellow,(actually bred from the Mastiff, which is also mellow). Look at a terrier (hypo agressive hunter with the doggy equivalent of littleman's disease). Now look what happens when You give a hypo dog muscle to play with, or a strong muscular dog an attitude, You get a bloody tortured mongrel that's near on deranged. that's unfortunately what your son had living next door. nevermind the dog, put it down, but go sort out the owner, they're the real culprit.
..it's another red light nightmare..
Forum whore
Mmmmmmm. Now, about these unregistered, unwarranted, bald tyred....
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
One hell of a ride.
The dog has to go through due process, the owner is too stupid to have even considered an appology and wants it back.
Not sure about Whanau who were minding it.
Another question
Matts off work for 2 weeks - he has ACC forms already - anybody have an opinion on if he can seek any compensation?
tank slappa
Use those connections you mentioned earlier Big D and SCREW the wankers...
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